Re: Publishing the report

Thank you Owen

Kotseruba should be pleased with your rendition, I hope you reach out
and send them your diagram-
maybe get feedback

I ll be happy to include the new image and the source in the report-
does it mean that AI KR ID diagram without an explanation  or use case is
not to be mentioned?
Let me know otherwise Carl-

I think I mentioned before, the problem is that anyone can make any
statement
with StratML, or any other language, and that can be useful

 but that does not mean that the assertion is true,
or whether it holds true under changing conditions (such as time)

So the usefulness is limited to making assertions in a structured way
(which is a good starting point, but the AI KR problems in certain domains
are beyond the assertability o statements)

AI KR are trying to address algorithmic reliability, verifiability and
explainability
among other things- given real word complexities

In the meantime, we have to work with what is available, I guess

On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 10:43 PM Owen Ambur <Owen.Ambur@verizon.net> wrote:

> Thanks, Paola.  I see in the original source that Springer provides links
> enabling expansion of the graphics so that they are easier to read, e.g., this
> one
> <https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10462-018-9646-y/figures/3>
> for the graphic you are including in your report.
>
> The graphic still doesn't mean much to me.  However, if textual
> descriptions are available for the initiatives/projects whose
> names/acronyms are listed at the bottom of the graphic, I'll be happy to
> render them in StratML format -- for potential inclusion in a catalog of
> AI/ML initiatives developed by the AIKR CG.
>
> In the meantime, the goals and objectives embedded in the conclusion of
> Kotseruba & Tsotsos' wall of text
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wall_of_text> are now available
> in StratML format at https://stratml.us/drybridge/index.htm#CCAPA
>
> With reference to their Goal 8: Reproducibility
> <https://stratml.us/carmel/iso/CCAPAwStyle.xml#_0f32842a-d592-11ec-b45d-08b00083ea00>
> - Provide full technical detail to support reproducibility of research - it
> would be good if such detail were provided in an open, standard,
> machine-readable format, like StratML.
>
> Doing so would support their Goal 7: Evaluation
> <https://stratml.us/carmel/iso/CCAPAwStyle.xml#_0f327d72-d592-11ec-b45d-08b00083ea00>
> - Develop objective and extensive evaluation procedures.
>
> Conversely, failing to do so is a form of artificial ignorance
> <https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/artificial-ignorance-owen-ambur>.
>
> Kranthi, I'd love to see what ThoughtFlow might be able to do with my
> StratML rendition of Kotseruba & Tsotsos' plan... and perhaps eventually a
> catalog of AI/ML initiatives applying their goals and objectives as a
> taxonomy of such efforts.
>
> BTW, w/re their Objective 4.1: Emotions & Intentions
> <https://stratml.us/carmel/iso/CCAPAwStyle.xml#_0f3272a0-d592-11ec-b45d-08b00083ea00>
> - Detect the emotional states and intentions of interlocutors - we human
> beings could help machines help us if we made both our intentions
> (goals/objectives) and our values (undergirding our emotions) explicit in a
> format they can "read".
>
> Owen
>
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: Re: Publishing the report
> Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 08:59:58 +0800
> From: Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com> <paoladimaio10@gmail.com>
> To: Owen Ambur <Owen.Ambur@verizon.net> <Owen.Ambur@verizon.net>
> CC: Kranthi Kiran <kranthi@thoughtflow.io> <kranthi@thoughtflow.io>
>
> Thank you Owen
> You need to read the paper to understand the image
> https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10462-018-9646-y
> I realized I mis-spelled the author's name
>
>
> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 3:50 AM Owen Ambur <Owen.Ambur@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> Paola, here are some of the issues I have with the visualization copied
>> below:
>>
>>    1. I don't know what any of the terms mean, particularly those at the
>>    bottom of the hierarchy.
>>    2. It is somewhat uncomfortable having to tilt my head to read them
>>    and they are pretty densely packed together.
>>    3. Since it is in image format, the URL to the source is un-clickable.
>>
>> As I said, the image reminds me of what I've seen of Kranthi's
>> ThoughtFlow application.  My thought is that perhaps he might be able to
>> improve upon its usability and utility.  However, I don't know how much
>> value that would provide either to those who may already understand the
>> diagram or those of us who do not.
>>
>> Owen
>>
>>
>> On 5/15/2022 8:21 PM, Paola Di Maio wrote:
>>
>> Thank you
>> we can also add a mention in the report to Chris'app since he
>> participated in meetings and made available his app
>>
>> Here is the diagram Carl Provided
>> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aikr/2020Jun/0005.html
>> I ll add the URL so that the original size is accessible
>>
>> i we include it in the report, it should be described and ideally, have a
>> short test case/use case/example
>> to demonstrate itse use and benefits - I do not remember the modelling
>> being shared nor discussed
>> but I did not attend the meetings-
>>
>> regarding the AI KR vs COGSCI diagram, is just pointing to a relation
>> between the two knowledge domains
>> I you do not understand it, it means I have to provide a better
>> description/explanation
>> in the report
>>
>> anything else not clear in the report please feel free to  highlight
>> thanks-
>>
>> On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 12:31 AM Owen Ambur <Owen.Ambur@verizon.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Paola, I defer to Carl to answer your question.  The text of his diagram
>>> is difficult to read.  I see that it references StratML but it does not
>>> accurately reflect the logic of the schema, in which:
>>>
>>> a) Objectives are children of Goals, and
>>>
>>> b) Performance Indicators are children of Objectives.  Nor do I have a
>>> StratML rendition of Carl's plan at
>>> https://stratml.us/drybridge/index.htm#AIKRCG
>>>
>>> Presumably, if he were to use my XForm (or Chris' StratNavApp) to flesh
>>> out his plan, he'd have better understanding of the structure and semantics
>>> of the StratML schema.
>>>
>>> On the other hand, if and hopefully when Carl provides a description of
>>> his plan in free flowing text, I'll be happy to render it in StratML
>>> format.  Ideally, it would add value to the intelligence already built into
>>> the StratML schema.  The opportunity to do so is unlimited.
>>>
>>> In the meantime, I left Kranthi on the cc list because your
>>> visualization of the "convergence between AI/KR and COGAI" (which doesn't
>>> mean much to me) reminds me of the output of his ThoughtFlow application.
>>> Perhaps he might be able to make it more comprehensible to folks like me.
>>>
>>> Owen
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/15/2022 3:21 AM, Paola Di Maio wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you Owen
>>> I just added the AI KR ID ontology diagram shared by Carl via the list
>>> , waiting or a description and use case to be added to the drat
>>>  is the AI KR ID ontology diagram based on stratml?
>>>
>>>
>>> good news about the performance, and editable record? could be a rather
>>> good feature
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 11:10 PM Owen Ambur <Owen.Ambur@verizon.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Looks good to me, Paola.  Thanks a bunch.
>>>>
>>>> When it's published, I may wish to reference it in my Wikipedia article
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategy_Markup_Language> on StratML
>>>> and/or a posting on LinkedIn.
>>>>
>>>> I'll also be on the lookout for opportunities to render a plan(s) in
>>>> StratML format to help me and other less AI/ML expert folks to comprehend
>>>> what System Level Knowledge Representation and Neuro Symbolic Integration
>>>> might be able to do for us.
>>>>
>>>> If AIKR CG's plan is updated, that might be a good place to start
>>>> creating such documentation.  An edit link is available at
>>>> https://stratml.us/drybridge/index.htm#AIKRCG.  Please note, however,
>>>> that the user must save the file locally.  I have no desire to maintain
>>>> UIDs & passwords.  I also want to encourage users to host their own plans
>>>> and reports on their own websites -- for aggregation, indexing, and other
>>>> value-adds by intermediary service providers.
>>>>
>>>> BTW, legislation has been introduced
>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/posts/owenambur_congressgov-library-of-congress-activity-6930927767131758592-38yC?utm_source=linkedin_share&utm_medium=member_desktop_web>
>>>> in the U.S. Senate that would require agencies to publish quarterly
>>>> performance reports on the Performance.gov site.  When such reports are
>>>> published in an open, standard, machine-readable format, it should be
>>>> pretty easy for AI agents to "learn" and help human beings understand the
>>>> requirements (value chains) required to achieve their objectives.  What
>>>> else might knowledge be about?
>>>>
>>>> Owen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 5/14/2022 1:53 AM, Paola Di Maio wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Owen
>>>> thank or your suggestions, I have incorporated them in the report which
>>>> I plan to make live soon
>>>>
>>>> take a look again please
>>>>
>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/15Y1qICrKpPcilwIwQdA5lmTwW1iO4cywL2NESdek70E/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>
>>>> apologies it took me so long
>>>>
>>>> Carl and Richard, let me know i you spot something obviously wrong
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> PDM
>>>>
>>>>