- From: Owen Ambur <Owen.Ambur@verizon.net>
- Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 10:42:51 -0400
- To: W3C AIKR CG <public-aikr@w3.org>, Kranthi Kiran <kranthi@thoughtflow.io>
- Cc: Chris Fox <chris@chriscfox.com>
- Message-ID: <c98c57b1-b9b5-d3b5-5f2a-92df6c970c9f@verizon.net>
Thanks, Paola. I see in the original source that Springer provides
links enabling expansion of the graphics so that they are easier to
read, e.g., this one
<https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10462-018-9646-y/figures/3>
for the graphic you are including in your report.
The graphic still doesn't mean much to me. However, if textual
descriptions are available for the initiatives/projects whose
names/acronyms are listed at the bottom of the graphic, I'll be happy to
render them in StratML format -- for potential inclusion in a catalog of
AI/ML initiatives developed by the AIKR CG.
In the meantime, the goals and objectives embedded in the conclusion of
Kotseruba & Tsotsos' wall of text
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wall_of_text> are now available
in StratML format at https://stratml.us/drybridge/index.htm#CCAPA
With reference to their Goal 8: Reproducibility
<https://stratml.us/carmel/iso/CCAPAwStyle.xml#_0f32842a-d592-11ec-b45d-08b00083ea00>
- Provide full technical detail to support reproducibility of research -
it would be good if such detail were provided in an open, standard,
machine-readable format, like StratML.
Doing so would support their Goal 7: Evaluation
<https://stratml.us/carmel/iso/CCAPAwStyle.xml#_0f327d72-d592-11ec-b45d-08b00083ea00>
- Develop objective and extensive evaluation procedures.
Conversely, failing to do so is a form of artificial ignorance
<https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/artificial-ignorance-owen-ambur>.
Kranthi, I'd love to see what ThoughtFlow might be able to do with my
StratML rendition of Kotseruba & Tsotsos' plan... and perhaps eventually
a catalog of AI/ML initiatives applying their goals and objectives as a
taxonomy of such efforts.
BTW, w/re their Objective 4.1: Emotions & Intentions
<https://stratml.us/carmel/iso/CCAPAwStyle.xml#_0f3272a0-d592-11ec-b45d-08b00083ea00>
- Detect the emotional states and intentions of interlocutors - we human
beings could help machines help us if we made both our intentions
(goals/objectives) and our values (undergirding our emotions) explicit
in a format they can "read".
Owen
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Subject: Re: Publishing the report
Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 08:59:58 +0800
From: Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com>
To: Owen Ambur <Owen.Ambur@verizon.net>
CC: Kranthi Kiran <kranthi@thoughtflow.io>
Thank you Owen
You need to read the paper to understand the image
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10462-018-9646-y
I realized I mis-spelled the author's name
On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 3:50 AM Owen Ambur <Owen.Ambur@verizon.net> wrote:
Paola, here are some of the issues I have with the visualization
copied below:
1. I don't know what any of the terms mean, particularly those at
the bottom of the hierarchy.
2. It is somewhat uncomfortable having to tilt my head to read them
and they are pretty densely packed together.
3. Since it is in image format, the URL to the source is un-clickable.
As I said, the image reminds me of what I've seen of Kranthi's
ThoughtFlow application. My thought is that perhaps he might be
able to improve upon its usability and utility. However, I don't
know how much value that would provide either to those who may
already understand the diagram or those of us who do not.
Owen
On 5/15/2022 8:21 PM, Paola Di Maio wrote:
> Thank you
> we can also add a mention in the report to Chris'app since he
> participated in meetings and made available his app
>
> Here is the diagram Carl Provided
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aikr/2020Jun/0005.html
> I ll add the URL so that the original size is accessible
>
> i we include it in the report, it should be described and ideally,
> have a short test case/use case/example
> to demonstrate itse use and benefits - I do not remember the
> modelling being shared nor discussed
> but I did not attend the meetings-
>
> regarding the AI KR vs COGSCI diagram, is just pointing to a
> relation between the two knowledge domains
> I you do not understand it, it means I have to provide a better
> description/explanation
> in the report
>
> anything else not clear in the report please feel free to highlight
> thanks-
>
> On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 12:31 AM Owen Ambur
> <Owen.Ambur@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> Paola, I defer to Carl to answer your question. The text of
> his diagram is difficult to read. I see that it references
> StratML but it does not accurately reflect the logic of the
> schema, in which:
>
> a) Objectives are children of Goals, and
>
> b) Performance Indicators are children of Objectives. Nor
> do I have a StratML rendition of Carl's plan at
> https://stratml.us/drybridge/index.htm#AIKRCG
>
> Presumably, if he were to use my XForm (or Chris' StratNavApp)
> to flesh out his plan, he'd have better understanding of the
> structure and semantics of the StratML schema.
>
> On the other hand, if and hopefully when Carl provides a
> description of his plan in free flowing text, I'll be happy to
> render it in StratML format. Ideally, it would add value to
> the intelligence already built into the StratML schema. The
> opportunity to do so is unlimited.
>
> In the meantime, I left Kranthi on the cc list because your
> visualization of the "convergence between AI/KR and COGAI"
> (which doesn't mean much to me) reminds me of the output of
> his ThoughtFlow application. Perhaps he might be able to make
> it more comprehensible to folks like me.
>
> Owen
>
>
> On 5/15/2022 3:21 AM, Paola Di Maio wrote:
>> Thank you Owen
>> I just added the AI KR ID ontology diagram shared by Carl via
>> the list
>> , waiting or a description and use case to be added to the drat
>> is the AI KR ID ontology diagram based on stratml?
>>
>>
>> good news about the performance, and editable record? could
>> be a rather good feature
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 11:10 PM Owen Ambur
>> <Owen.Ambur@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> Looks good to me, Paola. Thanks a bunch.
>>
>> When it's published, I may wish to reference it in my
>> Wikipedia article
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategy_Markup_Language>
>> on StratML and/or a posting on LinkedIn.
>>
>> I'll also be on the lookout for opportunities to render a
>> plan(s) in StratML format to help me and other less AI/ML
>> expert folks to comprehend what System Level Knowledge
>> Representation and Neuro Symbolic Integration might be
>> able to do for us.
>>
>> If AIKR CG's plan is updated, that might be a good place
>> to start creating such documentation. An edit link is
>> available at
>> https://stratml.us/drybridge/index.htm#AIKRCG. Please
>> note, however, that the user must save the file locally.
>> I have no desire to maintain UIDs & passwords. I also
>> want to encourage users to host their own plans and
>> reports on their own websites -- for aggregation,
>> indexing, and other value-adds by intermediary service
>> providers.
>>
>> BTW, legislation has been introduced
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/posts/owenambur_congressgov-library-of-congress-activity-6930927767131758592-38yC?utm_source=linkedin_share&utm_medium=member_desktop_web>
>> in the U.S. Senate that would require agencies to publish
>> quarterly performance reports on the Performance.gov
>> site. When such reports are published in an open,
>> standard, machine-readable format, it should be pretty
>> easy for AI agents to "learn" and help human beings
>> understand the requirements (value chains) required to
>> achieve their objectives. What else might knowledge be
>> about?
>>
>> Owen
>>
>>
>> On 5/14/2022 1:53 AM, Paola Di Maio wrote:
>>> Owen
>>> thank or your suggestions, I have incorporated them in
>>> the report which I plan to make live soon
>>>
>>> take a look again please
>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/15Y1qICrKpPcilwIwQdA5lmTwW1iO4cywL2NESdek70E/edit?usp=sharing
>>>
>>> apologies it took me so long
>>>
>>> Carl and Richard, let me know i you spot something
>>> obviously wrong
>>>
>>>
>>> PDM
>>
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