- From: Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com>
- Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 08:58:46 +0800
- To: Mike Bergman <mike@mkbergman.com>
- Cc: W3C AIKR CG <public-aikr@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CAMXe=Sqs_Ok42Y05QbtgS3sEe_EGr0436zJngLn=siptwhBibw@mail.gmail.com>
Thank you I ll add this to the reader for KG ' A Common Sense View of Knowledge Graphs https://www.mkbergman.com/2244/a-common-sense-view-of-knowledge-graphs/ On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 11:53 PM Mike Bergman <mike@mkbergman.com> wrote: > Hi Paola, > > I appreciate the challenge of having an initial interest in Peirce. To > help others seeking to learn more about this amazing intellect, I wrote: > > https://www.mkbergman.com/2069/how-i-study-c-s-peirce/ > > about four years ago to capture my own journey in learning more about > Charley. Since then, I would add (and start with!) Burch's fine overview of > CSP: > > https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/peirce/ > > I think my own Appendix A to my book is pretty good, too, and is free in > the pre-release author's version. BTW, some of my other book chapters are > available for free in PDF from: > > https://www.mkbergman.com/a-knowledge-representation-practionary/ > > Thanks, Mike > On 2/14/2021 3:20 AM, Paola Di Maio wrote: > > well I tried > :-) > > you book is valuable especially to those who are interested to learn more > about Peirce > Especially relevant to knowledge graphs, > > (How did existential graph became knowledge graphs?) > I have seen some slides...from you > > but > there are many great books to read these days > https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/iconic-logic-peirces-graphs > > and each book brings up new questions > > most students and researchers when solving problem need practical > approaches and very direct pointers > or get lost > > it helps to know what question does a specific book..chapter answer to > motivate people to read it and justify the recommendation > to librarians etc > > there are also conflicting accounts as to what ideas originated where and > how they became transformed > > so yes, we should all learn more about Peirce (and read you book!) but > given that Perice's contribution is vast and diverse, and the impact so > vast it's easier for a specialise like yourself to provide a pointer > > For example there are useful references to Peirce's work in relation to > semantic networks, which can be translated to > to frames yet Peirce is rarely mentioned > > I wonder if this is why he does not get the credits he deserves and his > contribution became diluted and attributed to different authors > > In sum, while Pierces contribution is to be studied, and your book to be > read, not sure if reading books is the quickest way to solve problems or > answer immediate small questions > (in this case, how did Peirce work contribute to frames in AI) > > we can of course try to write automated agents to do this search for us, > > A semantic frame-based intelligent agent for topic detection > https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00500-015-1695-4 > > Thank you, I hope I get around to read it all > :-) > > > P > > > > > > > > On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 2:21 PM Mike Bergman <mike@mkbergman.com> wrote: > >> No, thank you. Busy now with other things. >> >> M. >> On 2/13/2021 8:13 PM, Paola Di Maio wrote: >> >> I wonder, if prompted you may become inclined, to produce a video >> recording with a synopsis of the main chapters >> :-) I would invite you to give a webinar but I fear too few people would >> benefit from the interaction, while a >> vidoe narrative of the main points of the book will go a long way :-) >> would you consider a webinar? or a video talk? >> >> PDM >> >> On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 9:51 AM Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 9:32 AM Mike Bergman <mike@mkbergman.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> So, Peirce, I think, has had an immense influence, but almost an >>>> entirely unrecognized one. >>>> >>> yes thats what some folks like JS and JA have been hammering about >>> >>> but not on frames? Dont you think ? >>> >>> >>>> Once we recognize that, we can look to much else in what Peirce offered >>>> that can improve the KR and AI enterprise. Those are the topics of my book. >>>> Believe me, you will enjoy it a whole lot more than the index >>>> >>> sure >>> eyeballs, all used up I am afraid- >>> I do so much reading believe me >>> >>> This is why sometimes I ask for quick pointers, saves me having to wade >>> through masses of resources >>> My own memory about certain facts also needs refreshing >>> >>> will place on the list of books to take to the moon when I >>> go, may have spare time then >>> :-) >>> >>> >>>> >>>> PDM >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 8:53 AM Mike Bergman <mike@mkbergman.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Paolo, >>>>> >>>>> Peirce died in 1914, some 60-70 yrs before frames became a topic in >>>>> AI. He also did not invent conceptual graphs; Sowa did, though based on >>>>> existential graphs, Peirce's diagrammatic notations to capture his logics. >>>>> >>>>> There is nothing purposeful or incidental in my book not mentioning >>>>> frames or frame languages, just as Petri nets, UML or tableau reasoners are >>>>> not mentioned. Frames are simply not applicable to the context of the book, >>>>> which has as its focus Peirce's logics, sign-making (semeiosis), and >>>>> pragmatism as guides to inform KR. I, too, would be surprised if a general >>>>> reference book on KR did not mention these topics. But, like I said, that >>>>> is not the purpose of the book. >>>>> >>>>> Mike >>>>> On 2/13/2021 5:43 PM, Paola Di Maio wrote: >>>>> >>>>> answering my own question: :-) >>>>> >>>>> based on Sowa's article >>>>> https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/82803127.pdf >>>>> Peirce developed conceptual graphs to overcome the limitations of >>>>> frames >>>>> >>>>> I remain surprised not to find altogether any mention of frame in a KR >>>>> book even if its based on Peirce >>>>> I d be interested to know if this happened incidentally or they were >>>>> purposefully avoided >>>>> >>>>> Despite their limitations, some forms of frames are used in >>>>> declarative programming even today >>>>> >>>>> PDM >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 9:21 AM Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thank you Mike' for your quick response' >>>>>> >>>>>> just to spare me the cognitive cycles of looking into this, you mean >>>>>> that Pierce managed to avoid >>>>>> any reference to frames in relation to KR? >>>>>> >>>>>> Because from where I come from, frames were very central to AI KR >>>>>> P >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> Virus-free. >>>>>> www.avast.com >>>>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 8:59 AM Mike Bergman <mike@mkbergman.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Paolo, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My book is not a general reference, as I think is stated in the >>>>>>> preface and intro, but is based on the guidance of CS Peirce and tries to >>>>>>> adhere to the methodology he advocated, which is why I called it a >>>>>>> 'practionary'. I recommend a couple of general sources in those same >>>>>>> sections if you have a copy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best, Mike >>>>>>> On 2/12/2021 6:38 PM, Paola Di Maio wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Mike B >>>>>>> I was looking for a more recent citation than the usual >>>>>>> references and considered your book as a general reference to point to >>>>>>> the KR domain (looks fresh) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have finally managed to obtain a copy >>>>>>> Bergman, Michael K., Michael K. Bergman, and Lagerstrom-Fife. *Knowledge >>>>>>> Representation Practionary*. Springer International Publishing, >>>>>>> 2018. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The first thing I look at is the index, as it saves me from >>>>>>> reading too much as my eyesight is precious >>>>>>> and I cannot believe my eyes >>>>>>> I cannot find any reference to frames neither in the glossary nor in >>>>>>> the index >>>>>>> how can it be? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> thank you >>>>>>> PDM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> Virus-free. >>>>>>> www.avast.com >>>>>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> __________________________________________ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Michael K. 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