- From: Mike Bergman <mike@mkbergman.com>
- Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 00:21:03 -0600
- To: Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com>
- Cc: W3C AIKR CG <public-aikr@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <f38a70d4-2cde-d9a3-4dc1-6cad2c6b3dfd@mkbergman.com>
No, thank you. Busy now with other things. M. On 2/13/2021 8:13 PM, Paola Di Maio wrote: > I wonder, if prompted you may become inclined, to produce a video > recording with a synopsis of the main chapters > :-) I would invite you to give a webinar but I fear too few people > would benefit from the interaction, while a > vidoe narrative of the main points of the book will go a long way :-) > would you consider a webinar? or a video talk? > > PDM > > On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 9:51 AM Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com > <mailto:paoladimaio10@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 9:32 AM Mike Bergman <mike@mkbergman.com > <mailto:mike@mkbergman.com>> wrote: > > > So, Peirce, I think, has had an immense influence, but almost > an entirely unrecognized one. > > yes thats what some folks like JS and JA have been hammering about > > but not on frames? Dont you think ? > > Once we recognize that, we can look to much else in what > Peirce offered that can improve the KR and AI enterprise. > Those are the topics of my book. Believe me, you will enjoy it > a whole lot more than the index > > sure > eyeballs, all used up I am afraid- > I do so much reading believe me > > This is why sometimes I ask for quick pointers, saves me having to > wade through masses of resources > My own memory about certain facts also needs refreshing > > will place on the list of books to take to the moon when I > go, may have spare time then > :-) > >> >> >> PDM >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 8:53 AM Mike Bergman >> <mike@mkbergman.com <mailto:mike@mkbergman.com>> wrote: >> >> Hi Paolo, >> >> Peirce died in 1914, some 60-70 yrs before frames became >> a topic in AI. He also did not invent conceptual graphs; >> Sowa did, though based on existential graphs, Peirce's >> diagrammatic notations to capture his logics. >> >> There is nothing purposeful or incidental in my book not >> mentioning frames or frame languages, just as Petri nets, >> UML or tableau reasoners are not mentioned. Frames are >> simply not applicable to the context of the book, which >> has as its focus Peirce's logics, sign-making >> (semeiosis), and pragmatism as guides to inform KR. I, >> too, would be surprised if a general reference book on KR >> did not mention these topics. But, like I said, that is >> not the purpose of the book. >> >> Mike >> >> On 2/13/2021 5:43 PM, Paola Di Maio wrote: >>> answering my own question: :-) >>> >>> based on Sowa's article >>> https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/82803127.pdf >>> <https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/82803127.pdf> >>> Peirce developed conceptual graphs to overcome the >>> limitations of frames >>> >>> I remain surprised not to find altogether any mention of >>> frame in a KR book even if its based on Peirce >>> I d be interested to know if this happened incidentally >>> or they were purposefully avoided >>> >>> Despite their limitations, some forms of frames are used >>> in declarative programming even today >>> >>> PDM >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 9:21 AM Paola Di Maio >>> <paoladimaio10@gmail.com >>> <mailto:paoladimaio10@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Thank you Mike' for your quick response' >>> >>> just to spare me the cognitive cycles of looking >>> into this, you mean that Pierce managed to avoid >>> any reference to frames in relation to KR? >>> >>> Because from where I come from, frames were very >>> central to AI KR >>> P >>> >>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> >>> Virus-free. www.avast.com >>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 8:59 AM Mike Bergman >>> <mike@mkbergman.com <mailto:mike@mkbergman.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Paolo, >>> >>> My book is not a general reference, as I think >>> is stated in the preface and intro, but is based >>> on the guidance of CS Peirce and tries to adhere >>> to the methodology he advocated, which is why I >>> called it a 'practionary'. I recommend a couple >>> of general sources in those same sections if you >>> have a copy. >>> >>> Best, Mike >>> >>> On 2/12/2021 6:38 PM, Paola Di Maio wrote: >>>> Dear Mike B >>>> I was looking for a more recent citation than >>>> the usual references and considered your book >>>> as a general reference to point to >>>> the KR domain (looks fresh) >>>> >>>> I have finally managed to obtain a copy >>>> Bergman, Michael K., Michael K. Bergman, and >>>> Lagerstrom-Fife. /Knowledge Representation >>>> Practionary/. Springer International >>>> Publishing, 2018. >>>> >>>> The first thing I look at is the index, as it >>>> saves me from reading too much as my eyesight >>>> is precious >>>> and I cannot believe my eyes >>>> I cannot find any reference to frames neither >>>> in the glossary nor in the index >>>> how can it be? >>>> >>>> thank you >>>> PDM >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> >>>> Virus-free. www.avast.com >>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link> >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> __________________________________________ >>> >>> Michael K. 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