Re: no frames?/maybe a visual synopsis

No, thank you. Busy now with other things.

M.

On 2/13/2021 8:13 PM, Paola Di Maio wrote:
> I wonder, if prompted you may become inclined, to produce a video 
> recording with a synopsis of the main chapters
> :-)  I would invite you to give a webinar but I fear too few people 
> would benefit from the interaction, while a
> vidoe narrative of the main points of the book will go a long way :-)
> would you consider a webinar? or a video talk?
>
> PDM
>
> On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 9:51 AM Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com 
> <mailto:paoladimaio10@gmail.com>> wrote:
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>     On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 9:32 AM Mike Bergman <mike@mkbergman.com
>     <mailto:mike@mkbergman.com>> wrote:
>
>
>         So, Peirce, I think, has had an immense influence, but almost
>         an entirely unrecognized one.
>
>     yes thats what some folks like JS and JA have been hammering about
>
>     but not on frames? Dont you think ?
>
>         Once we recognize that, we can look to much else in what
>         Peirce offered that can improve the KR and AI enterprise.
>         Those are the topics of my book. Believe me, you will enjoy it
>         a whole lot more than the index
>
>     sure
>       eyeballs, all used up I am afraid-
>     I do so much reading believe me
>
>     This is why sometimes I ask for quick pointers, saves me having to
>     wade through masses of resources
>     My own memory about certain facts also needs refreshing
>
>     will place on   the list of  books to take to the moon when I
>     go, may have spare time then
>     :-)
>
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>>         PDM
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>>         On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 8:53 AM Mike Bergman
>>         <mike@mkbergman.com <mailto:mike@mkbergman.com>> wrote:
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>>             Hi Paolo,
>>
>>             Peirce died in 1914, some 60-70 yrs before frames became
>>             a topic in AI. He also did not invent conceptual graphs;
>>             Sowa did, though based on existential graphs, Peirce's
>>             diagrammatic notations to capture his logics.
>>
>>             There is nothing purposeful or incidental in my book not
>>             mentioning frames or frame languages, just as Petri nets,
>>             UML or tableau reasoners are not mentioned. Frames are
>>             simply not applicable to the context of the book, which
>>             has as its focus Peirce's logics, sign-making
>>             (semeiosis), and pragmatism as guides to inform KR. I,
>>             too, would be surprised if a general reference book on KR
>>             did not mention these topics. But, like I said, that is
>>             not the purpose of the book.
>>
>>             Mike
>>
>>             On 2/13/2021 5:43 PM, Paola Di Maio wrote:
>>>             answering my own question: :-)
>>>
>>>              based on Sowa's article
>>>             https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/82803127.pdf
>>>             <https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/82803127.pdf>
>>>             Peirce developed conceptual graphs to overcome the
>>>             limitations of frames
>>>
>>>             I remain surprised not to find altogether any mention of
>>>             frame in a KR book even if its based on Peirce
>>>             I d be interested to know if this happened incidentally
>>>             or they were purposefully avoided
>>>
>>>             Despite their limitations, some forms of frames are used
>>>             in declarative programming even today
>>>
>>>             PDM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>             On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 9:21 AM Paola Di Maio
>>>             <paoladimaio10@gmail.com
>>>             <mailto:paoladimaio10@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>                 Thank you Mike' for your quick response'
>>>
>>>                 just to spare me the cognitive cycles of looking
>>>                 into this, you mean that Pierce managed to avoid
>>>                 any reference to frames in relation to KR?
>>>
>>>                 Because from where I come from, frames were very
>>>                 central to AI KR
>>>                 P
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>>>                 On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 8:59 AM Mike Bergman
>>>                 <mike@mkbergman.com <mailto:mike@mkbergman.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>                     Hi Paolo,
>>>
>>>                     My book is not a general reference, as I think
>>>                     is stated in the preface and intro, but is based
>>>                     on the guidance of CS Peirce and tries to adhere
>>>                     to the methodology he advocated, which is why I
>>>                     called it a 'practionary'. I recommend a couple
>>>                     of general sources in those same sections if you
>>>                     have a copy.
>>>
>>>                     Best, Mike
>>>
>>>                     On 2/12/2021 6:38 PM, Paola Di Maio wrote:
>>>>                     Dear Mike B
>>>>                     I was looking for a more recent citation than
>>>>                     the usual references and considered your book
>>>>                     as a general reference to point to
>>>>                     the KR domain (looks fresh)
>>>>
>>>>                     I have finally managed to obtain a copy
>>>>                     Bergman, Michael K., Michael K. Bergman, and
>>>>                     Lagerstrom-Fife. /Knowledge Representation
>>>>                     Practionary/. Springer International
>>>>                     Publishing, 2018.
>>>>
>>>>                     The first thing I look at is the index, as it
>>>>                     saves me from reading too much as my eyesight
>>>>                     is precious
>>>>                     and I cannot believe my eyes
>>>>                     I cannot find any reference to frames neither
>>>>                     in the glossary nor in the index
>>>>                     how can it be?
>>>>
>>>>                     thank you
>>>>                     PDM
>>>>
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>         Michael K. Bergman
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