- From: Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com>
- Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 10:13:51 +0800
- To: Mike Bergman <mike@mkbergman.com>
- Cc: W3C AIKR CG <public-aikr@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CAMXe=SpKGvGZ5ha3dvLDJ=2oJkN=6cuWxt6Pzftr=rMajYU78w@mail.gmail.com>
I wonder, if prompted you may become inclined, to produce a video recording with a synopsis of the main chapters :-) I would invite you to give a webinar but I fear too few people would benefit from the interaction, while a vidoe narrative of the main points of the book will go a long way :-) would you consider a webinar? or a video talk? PDM On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 9:51 AM Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 9:32 AM Mike Bergman <mike@mkbergman.com> wrote: > >> >> So, Peirce, I think, has had an immense influence, but almost an entirely >> unrecognized one. >> > yes thats what some folks like JS and JA have been hammering about > > but not on frames? Dont you think ? > > >> Once we recognize that, we can look to much else in what Peirce offered >> that can improve the KR and AI enterprise. Those are the topics of my book. >> Believe me, you will enjoy it a whole lot more than the index >> > sure > eyeballs, all used up I am afraid- > I do so much reading believe me > > This is why sometimes I ask for quick pointers, saves me having to wade > through masses of resources > My own memory about certain facts also needs refreshing > > will place on the list of books to take to the moon when I > go, may have spare time then > :-) > > >> >> PDM >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 8:53 AM Mike Bergman <mike@mkbergman.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi Paolo, >>> >>> Peirce died in 1914, some 60-70 yrs before frames became a topic in AI. >>> He also did not invent conceptual graphs; Sowa did, though based on >>> existential graphs, Peirce's diagrammatic notations to capture his logics. >>> >>> There is nothing purposeful or incidental in my book not mentioning >>> frames or frame languages, just as Petri nets, UML or tableau reasoners are >>> not mentioned. Frames are simply not applicable to the context of the book, >>> which has as its focus Peirce's logics, sign-making (semeiosis), and >>> pragmatism as guides to inform KR. I, too, would be surprised if a general >>> reference book on KR did not mention these topics. But, like I said, that >>> is not the purpose of the book. >>> >>> Mike >>> On 2/13/2021 5:43 PM, Paola Di Maio wrote: >>> >>> answering my own question: :-) >>> >>> based on Sowa's article >>> https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/82803127.pdf >>> Peirce developed conceptual graphs to overcome the limitations of >>> frames >>> >>> I remain surprised not to find altogether any mention of frame in a KR >>> book even if its based on Peirce >>> I d be interested to know if this happened incidentally or they were >>> purposefully avoided >>> >>> Despite their limitations, some forms of frames are used in declarative >>> programming even today >>> >>> PDM >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 9:21 AM Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Thank you Mike' for your quick response' >>>> >>>> just to spare me the cognitive cycles of looking into this, you mean >>>> that Pierce managed to avoid >>>> any reference to frames in relation to KR? >>>> >>>> Because from where I come from, frames were very central to AI KR >>>> P >>>> >>>> >>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> Virus-free. >>>> www.avast.com >>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 8:59 AM Mike Bergman <mike@mkbergman.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Paolo, >>>>> >>>>> My book is not a general reference, as I think is stated in the >>>>> preface and intro, but is based on the guidance of CS Peirce and tries to >>>>> adhere to the methodology he advocated, which is why I called it a >>>>> 'practionary'. I recommend a couple of general sources in those same >>>>> sections if you have a copy. >>>>> >>>>> Best, Mike >>>>> On 2/12/2021 6:38 PM, Paola Di Maio wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Dear Mike B >>>>> I was looking for a more recent citation than the usual references and >>>>> considered your book as a general reference to point to >>>>> the KR domain (looks fresh) >>>>> >>>>> I have finally managed to obtain a copy >>>>> Bergman, Michael K., Michael K. Bergman, and Lagerstrom-Fife. *Knowledge >>>>> Representation Practionary*. Springer International Publishing, 2018. >>>>> >>>>> The first thing I look at is the index, as it saves me from >>>>> reading too much as my eyesight is precious >>>>> and I cannot believe my eyes >>>>> I cannot find any reference to frames neither in the glossary nor in >>>>> the index >>>>> how can it be? >>>>> >>>>> thank you >>>>> PDM >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> Virus-free. >>>>> www.avast.com >>>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> __________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> Michael K. 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