- From: Mike Bergman <mike@mkbergman.com>
- Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 19:32:32 -0600
- To: Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com>
- Cc: W3C AIKR CG <public-aikr@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <320a88e4-557e-7455-d617-4bd29e454a92@mkbergman.com>
Hi Paola, On 2/13/2021 7:15 PM, Paola Di Maio wrote: > Thank you Mike for the clarification about the timeline also about the > scope of the book > I am short of resources for cognitive cycles, reading a book from the > index obviously doesn't do > > Apologies for the lapsus, of course > I meant Peirce's existential graphs of course we have been lectured > to great extent > JS developed CG to overcome the limitations of frames > > I assumed that Pierces work had been assimilated by AI thinking that > followed but obviously this is not the case > Maybe this is what JS and John Awbrey have been going on about My own view is somewhat different. Peirce, I (and others) maintain, has been a background or more direct influence on description logics, conceptual graphs, abductive logic, induction logic and machine learning, Montague and Peirce grammars, ontologies, classification, and representation issues of all stripes. In fact, it is hard to find ANY topic in KR or AI to which Peirce does not have something to say. But who is aware of those facts? So, Peirce, I think, has had an immense influence, but almost an entirely unrecognized one. Once we recognize that, we can look to much else in what Peirce offered that can improve the KR and AI enterprise. Those are the topics of my book. Believe me, you will enjoy it a whole lot more than the index. Best, Mike > > > PDM > > > > > On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 8:53 AM Mike Bergman <mike@mkbergman.com > <mailto:mike@mkbergman.com>> wrote: > > Hi Paolo, > > Peirce died in 1914, some 60-70 yrs before frames became a topic > in AI. He also did not invent conceptual graphs; Sowa did, though > based on existential graphs, Peirce's diagrammatic notations to > capture his logics. > > There is nothing purposeful or incidental in my book not > mentioning frames or frame languages, just as Petri nets, UML or > tableau reasoners are not mentioned. Frames are simply not > applicable to the context of the book, which has as its focus > Peirce's logics, sign-making (semeiosis), and pragmatism as guides > to inform KR. I, too, would be surprised if a general reference > book on KR did not mention these topics. But, like I said, that is > not the purpose of the book. > > Mike > > On 2/13/2021 5:43 PM, Paola Di Maio wrote: >> answering my own question: :-) >> >> based on Sowa's article >> https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/82803127.pdf >> <https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/82803127.pdf> >> Peirce developed conceptual graphs to overcome the limitations of >> frames >> >> I remain surprised not to find altogether any mention of frame in >> a KR book even if its based on Peirce >> I d be interested to know if this happened incidentally or they >> were purposefully avoided >> >> Despite their limitations, some forms of frames are used in >> declarative programming even today >> >> PDM >> >> >> >> On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 9:21 AM Paola Di Maio >> <paoladimaio10@gmail.com <mailto:paoladimaio10@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Thank you Mike' for your quick response' >> >> just to spare me the cognitive cycles of looking into this, >> you mean that Pierce managed to avoid >> any reference to frames in relation to KR? >> >> Because from where I come from, frames were very central to AI KR >> P >> >> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> >> Virus-free. www.avast.com >> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 8:59 AM Mike Bergman >> <mike@mkbergman.com <mailto:mike@mkbergman.com>> wrote: >> >> Hi Paolo, >> >> My book is not a general reference, as I think is stated >> in the preface and intro, but is based on the guidance of >> CS Peirce and tries to adhere to the methodology he >> advocated, which is why I called it a 'practionary'. I >> recommend a couple of general sources in those same >> sections if you have a copy. >> >> Best, Mike >> >> On 2/12/2021 6:38 PM, Paola Di Maio wrote: >>> Dear Mike B >>> I was looking for a more recent citation than the usual >>> references and considered your book as a general >>> reference to point to >>> the KR domain (looks fresh) >>> >>> I have finally managed to obtain a copy >>> Bergman, Michael K., Michael K. Bergman, and >>> Lagerstrom-Fife. /Knowledge Representation Practionary/. >>> Springer International Publishing, 2018. >>> >>> The first thing I look at is the index, as it saves me >>> from reading too much as my eyesight is precious >>> and I cannot believe my eyes >>> I cannot find any reference to frames neither in the >>> glossary nor in the index >>> how can it be? >>> >>> thank you >>> PDM >>> >>> >>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> >>> Virus-free. www.avast.com >>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link> >>> >>> >> -- >> __________________________________________ >> >> Michael K. 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