Re: no frames?

Thank you Mike for the clarification about the timeline also about the
scope of the book
I am short of resources for cognitive cycles, reading a book from the index
obviously doesn't do

Apologies for the lapsus, of course
 I meant Peirce's existential graphs of course we have been lectured to
great extent
JS developed CG to overcome the limitations of frames

I assumed that Pierces work had been assimilated by AI thinking that
followed but obviously this is not the case
Maybe this is what JS and John Awbrey have been going on about


PDM




On Sun, Feb 14, 2021 at 8:53 AM Mike Bergman <mike@mkbergman.com> wrote:

> Hi Paolo,
>
> Peirce died in 1914, some 60-70 yrs before frames became a topic in AI. He
> also did not invent conceptual graphs; Sowa did, though based on
> existential graphs, Peirce's diagrammatic notations to capture his logics.
>
> There is nothing purposeful or incidental in my book not mentioning frames
> or frame languages, just as Petri nets, UML or tableau reasoners are not
> mentioned. Frames are simply not applicable to the context of the book,
> which has as its focus Peirce's logics, sign-making (semeiosis), and
> pragmatism as guides to inform KR. I, too, would be surprised if a general
> reference book on KR did not mention these topics. But, like I said, that
> is not the purpose of the book.
>
> Mike
> On 2/13/2021 5:43 PM, Paola Di Maio wrote:
>
> answering my own question: :-)
>
>  based on Sowa's article
> https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/82803127.pdf
>    Peirce developed conceptual graphs to overcome the limitations of
> frames
>
> I remain surprised not to find altogether any mention of frame in a KR
> book even if its based on Peirce
> I d be interested to know if this happened incidentally or they were
> purposefully avoided
>
> Despite their limitations, some forms of frames are used in declarative
> programming even today
>
> PDM
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 9:21 AM Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Mike' for your quick response'
>>
>> just to spare me the cognitive cycles of looking into this, you mean that
>> Pierce managed to avoid
>> any reference to frames in relation to KR?
>>
>> Because from where I come from, frames were very central to AI KR
>> P
>>
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>> On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 8:59 AM Mike Bergman <mike@mkbergman.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Paolo,
>>>
>>> My book is not a general reference, as I think is stated in the preface
>>> and intro, but is based on the guidance of CS Peirce and tries to adhere to
>>> the methodology he advocated, which is why I called it a 'practionary'. I
>>> recommend a couple of general sources in those same sections if you have a
>>> copy.
>>>
>>> Best, Mike
>>> On 2/12/2021 6:38 PM, Paola Di Maio wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear Mike B
>>> I was looking for a more recent citation than the usual references and
>>> considered your book as a general reference to point to
>>> the KR domain (looks fresh)
>>>
>>> I have finally managed to obtain a copy
>>> Bergman, Michael K., Michael K. Bergman, and Lagerstrom-Fife. *Knowledge
>>> Representation Practionary*. Springer International Publishing, 2018.
>>>
>>> The first thing I look at is the index, as it saves me from reading too
>>> much as my eyesight is precious
>>> and I cannot believe my eyes
>>> I cannot find any reference to frames neither in the glossary nor in the
>>> index
>>> how can it be?
>>>
>>> thank you
>>> PDM
>>>
>>>
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