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Re: Towards adopting stratml for the AIKRCG 'strategy': Meeting Report

From: carl mattocks <carlmattocks@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 09:34:56 -0400
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To: Chris Fox <chris@chriscfox.com>, W3C AIKR CG <public-aikr@w3.org>

To avoid having competing AIKRCG plan for member proposals/ experiments /
etc  can you confirm that the link below can be used for that purpose (with
permissions set)

For reference here is a link to a StratML/StratNavApp.com project for the
AIKR CG itself.

I contrast that against other plans, which are intended for use by specific
StratML subgroup experiments.



It was a pleasure to clarify

On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 9:26 AM Chris Fox <chris@chriscfox.com> wrote:

> What will the new strategy cover, Carl? That might help people decide if
> they want access or not...
> On Wed, 27 May 2020 at 14:23, carl mattocks <carlmattocks@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> please note -
>> To support the naturally evolving list of AIKR planned presentations /
>> talks/ experiments another strategy will be published via the app. This
>> will be separate from the current one focused on demonstrating how an AI
>> Strategist uses StraMl Vocabulary and Template to detail planning &
>> performance for aa AIKR powered business capability
>> If you required edit permissions please respond to this email.
>> cheers
>> Carl
>> It was a pleasure to clarify
>> On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 9:51 PM Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Thank you Carl
>>> sorry I did not make it last night but will be refining my entries in
>>> the stratnav app to reflect what I am working on now
>>> Have a couple of virtual talks and working on papers -  and shall be
>>> working on those
>>> perhaps you can enter also in the plan your proposed goals and actions
>>> Look forward to be reading more about krid and when it is mature enough
>>> maybe you can give a presentation/
>>> make some slides to prep  your krid spec draft
>>> pdm
>>> On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 10:35 PM carl mattocks <carlmattocks@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> a KRID focused goal is Create a Core Ontology that clarifies
>>>> role/use/properties of KRID within context of 'goals' mapped in StratMl
>>>> Towards that goal please peruse :
>>>> Core Software Ontology Core Ontology of Software Components Core
>>>> Ontology of Services which references Ontology of Goals
>>>> http://km.aifb.kit.edu/sites/cos/
>>>> An Ontology to aid the Goal-oriented Requirements Elicitation and
>>>> Specification for Self-Adaptive Systems
>>>> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/221270123_GOORE_Goal-Oriented_and_Ontology_Driven_Requirements_Elicitation_Method
>>>> Carl
>>>> It was a pleasure to clarify
>>>> On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 7:52 PM Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Thanks Carl for clarifying
>>>>> what about setting the goal for clarifying /sketch out KRID so that we
>>>>> can have a discussion
>>>>> I plan to put my hands on the plan in the stratnavapp soon
>>>>> P
>>>>> On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 10:09 PM carl mattocks <carlmattocks@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>  Towards adopting stratml for the AIKRCG 'strategy' ...
>>>>>> Given we are AIKR ... we understand that Kairos  signifies a proper
>>>>>> or opportune time for action  and our usage of StratMl to EXPLAIN
>>>>>> makes us interested in Knowledge-directed Artificial Intelligence
>>>>>> Reasoning Over Schemas (KAIROS) DARPA-SN-19-19 .
>>>>>> Our discussions have focused on:
>>>>>> StratML is our Schema start point  for reasoning, as in, the
>>>>>> performance of AIKR   inference
>>>>>> <https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/inferences>s is scoped /
>>>>>> weighed by the declared strategy.
>>>>>> AIKR reasoning uses KRID identifiers and data
>>>>>> (aka metadata) properties, such as KR TYPE.
>>>>>> KR Types include Declarative and Imperative  (aka procedural).
>>>>>>  Carl
>>>>>> Chair AIKRCG
>>>>>> It was a pleasure to clarify
>>>>>> On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 7:37 AM Paola Di Maio <paola.dimaio@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> It is under Owen and Chris's leadership that we are making some
>>>>>>> progress towards
>>>>>>> adopting stratml for the AIKRCG 'strategy'
>>>>>>> In sum. what are we doing/planning to do as a group is going to be
>>>>>>> documented in the plan. and although we are still working  things out, as
>>>>>>> we do have moments of brilliance and outbursts of productivity we can put
>>>>>>> them down in this stratml plan on the stratnav app so that they ll be a
>>>>>>> record of that. should be useful. I apologize again for being very tired
>>>>>>> but 9 pm is very late for me. especially when I have had a full day incl
>>>>>>> other calls etc-
>>>>>>> a few notes below
>>>>>>> the plan being developed here
>>>>>>>> <https://www.stratnavapp.com/StratML/Part1/413d648b-bd36-418d-af74-e15b0cd8281d/Styled>.
>>>>>>>> if anyone is inspired to chip in pls ask editing pass to Chris on this list
>>>>>>>> With reference to our Frameworks goal
>>>>>>>> <https://www.stratnavapp.com/StratML/Part1/413d648b-bd36-418d-af74-e15b0cd8281d/Styled#Goal_f1a62bb5-9910-4052-946a-344c0e22272f>,
>>>>>>>> I will endeavor to render in StratML Part 2 format any frameworks that may
>>>>>>>> be discovered and available on the Web.  Please apprise me of any of which
>>>>>>>> you are aware.
>>>>>>> To clarify -  Jorge aske whether we are using any framework of
>>>>>>> reference for our work. which loosely attempts  to study explainability for
>>>>>>> machine learning. That particular goal for our CG may need to be refined a
>>>>>>> little - I dont think a frameworks exists as such (strategies, methods) but
>>>>>>> there is interesting work being done, which I dont think is a framework
>>>>>>> yet. rather a compilation of possible techniques. the effectiveness of
>>>>>>> which may need to be evaluated in the field. So to answer the question,
>>>>>>> methods to address explainability of ML exist but
>>>>>>> a) I dont think are frameworks/strategies - this may be our goal? to
>>>>>>> gather what is in the field and make a framework?
>>>>>>> b) evaluation criteria for the effectiveness of these methods may
>>>>>>> not yet be studied, again
>>>>>>> could this be our work? I am doing some research in this direction
>>>>>>> but not yet conclusive
>>>>>>>  I volunteered to take up this task and shall soon update the plan
>>>>>>> with some links but  I am putting together a presentation-
>>>>>>>  anyone want to contribute?
>>>>>>> The caveat is that  statistical pronability and non parametric
>>>>>>> methods in ML are  unpredictable by definition
>>>>>>> https://machinelearningmastery.com/uncertainty-in-machine-learning/
>>>>>>> http://mlg.eng.cam.ac.uk/zoubin/talks/mit12csail.pdf
>>>>>>> (this is not my field at all, does anyone care to expand?)
>>>>>>> so I am not sure how to address this unpredictability other than
>>>>>>> with the question
>>>>>>> Can we use known symbolilc KR to  explain ML?
>>>>>>> In the meantime, this Google site-specific query
>>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=AI+framework&btnG=Google+Search&domains=stratml.us&sitesearch=stratml.us>
>>>>>>>> of the StratML collection turns up about 29 hits on the terms "AI
>>>>>>>> framework".  Here's
>>>>>>>> <https://www.modzy.com/platform-and-marketplace/> the top paid
>>>>>>>> ad-placed hit (not yet in the StratML collection but soon to be).
>>>>>>> thanks -  how do we query for ML explainability framework (a bit
>>>>>>> more precise semantically in relation to what we are doing here)
>>>>>>> KRID -  Carl is putting forward a category/concept/type  whereby KR
>>>>>>> is identified
>>>>>>> so KRID = some value to describe KR identity
>>>>>>> Carl started by suggesting the top level distinction for this
>>>>>>> concept would be
>>>>>>> declarative/procedural
>>>>>>> i  do not yet have an opinion about this, but would request Carl to
>>>>>>> start sketching out
>>>>>>> the taxonomy for KRID as he envisions it. so that we can have a
>>>>>>> discussion about it
>>>>>>> One considertation is: to what extent is declarative/procedural
>>>>>>> knowledge relevant to support ML?  or is KRID intended for AI in general
>>>>>>> (not ML) . Carl perhaps you should create this as a goal for yourself.Also
>>>>>>> could you clarify the relation of KRID to KAIROS?
>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>> PDM
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