- From: Chris Fox <chris@chriscfox.com>
- Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 09:24:48 +0100
- To: Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com>
- Cc: Owen Ambur <Owen.Ambur@verizon.net>, jorge@vionta.net, W3C AIKR CG <public-aikr@w3.org>, Pradeep Jain <Pradeep.Jain@ictect.com>, Alain Barbet <alian123soleil@gmail.com>, Andre Cusson <akhu01@gmail.com>, Pooyan Zamanian <p.zamanian@gmail.com>
- Message-ID: <CAKNnk3nhS0XrLSxei7v+RGsyfzEumeNi77TcYqrA_3E_hiUiMw@mail.gmail.com>
Hi Paola, Yes, StratNavApp.com does what you suggest, and is able to represent that in StratML. The tweaking that we talked about is purely presentation, rather than functional. Kind Regards, Chris On Thu, 7 May 2020 at 05:06, Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com> wrote: > Owen > thanks- Jorge answered the question already (what I dont know yet if > there is a wizard online installed somewhere already on the web, I am not > likely to install one myself) > > Let me be more precise when I think parser in relation to strtml I mean a > query parser > https://www.searchtechnologies.com/search-query-parsing > a parser that enables me to query a st of strtml documents according to > different variables > > I may be able to attend the meeting next week.? > Pls enter details here! > > https://www.w3.org/community/aikr/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=edit§ion=5 > > > Stratnav as I understand it so far has a slight modelling issue. the way > I see it > - that can be easily fixed since Chris says he is thinking of tweaking > things > > for each performance plan, the user should input a set of desired target > (say for this year my performance should be publish 4 papers) > > then, throughout the period of the plan. the user would be able to input > the targets one by one as they are met > (I should be able to input the papers one by one as they are published) > > thus. the performance function/graph should show incremental progress > > I am not sure stratnav does that yet, but that would be an essential > functionality to have > (to show the incremental progress towards a perfomance plan by tracking > the targets) > > On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 10:28 AM Owen Ambur <Owen.Ambur@verizon.net> wrote: > >> Paola, I'm not sure I understand exactly what you are saying. >> >> By generic "parser" I'm guessing that you mean an application that can >> select out goal and objective statements from unstructured ("natural >> language") text and render them in StratML format. If so, I am unaware of >> any tool that can do that. >> >> However, Pradeep Jain and his colleagues at Ictect have previously >> developed a template for use in MS Word, from which their patented >> technology rendered StratML. If sufficient demand were to arise from MS >> Word users, I trust they'd be happy to update the template to work with the >> latest version of Word. https://stratml.us/index.htm#Ictect >> >> On the other hand, if by "produce an output based on a StratML URL >> input," you mean exactly what those words say, Alain Barbet's XForm for >> StratML Part 2 can do that, at >> http://waterland.freeboxos.fr:8009/Part2Form.xml You can try it with >> this URL, if you'd like: https://stratml.us/carmel/iso/AIKRCGwStyle.xml >> Or you can just click on this link >> <http://stratml.us/forms/walt5.pl?url=http://stratml.us/carmel/iso/AIKRCG.xml> >> and the file will automatically open in the XForm for editing. >> >> I'm hoping Jorge's "wizard" version of the StratML forms will soon have >> similar capabilities. >> >> In any event, the advantage of using either his StratML application or >> Chris's StratNavApp is that they are backed by databases, whereas files >> created in the XForms must be saved locally and then manually posted >> somewhere on the Web, e.g., via the hypertext index I have been maintaining >> at https://stratml.us/drybridge/index.htm The trade-off is that giving >> users rights to write to the database means Chris and Jorge also need to >> manage UIDs & passwords, overhead I have not wanted to take on myself. >> >> Chris' app also has many other features to help organizations and groups >> craft better plans, including the capability to work collaboratively >> together to edit and comment on them. The group that Carl has been leading >> began doing that last week and plans to continue fleshing out our plan >> during our televideo conference next Tuesday. We moved the time up an hour >> to accommodate your schedule and I hope you'll be able to join us. >> >> I'm looking forward to the day that a sufficient number of dynamic >> StratML indices are semi-automatically maintained by others on the Web so >> that I can stop manually maintaining my static hypertext listing. Ideally, >> those repositories would not only provide the query capabilities outlined >> here >> <https://stratml.us/carmel/iso/SMLTASwStyle.xml#_15446932-208f-11e6-a80e-7333871eb3cb> >> but also have the capability to notify each other of additions to the >> collection. >> >> If the StratML standard were to begin to attract sufficient usage, I >> trust that Andre Cusson may wish to re-initiate work on his StratML >> portal <https://stratml.us/index.htm#Cusson>, that the folks at Ximdex >> may want to reengineer their StratML query service >> <http://space.ximdex.net/stratml-portal/> to take advantage of the >> structure and semantics of the schema, and that Pooyan Zamanian may wish to >> elevate the visibility of his StratML portal >> <https://stratml.us/index.htm#Pooyan> (in Farsi). Perhaps Esri might >> also be enticed to re-initiate their StratML portal >> <https://stratml.us/index.htm#ESRI> to provide geospatial referencing >> services. >> >> In large measure, that depends upon whether potential users recognize the >> value and importance of using the StratML standard but, of course, that is >> a chicken-or-egg situation. As Steve Jobs famously said, it's not the role >> of customers to know what they want; it is the role of entrepreneurs to >> show them... and, after seeing it (like the iPhone) they quickly come to >> feel they simply must have it. That's why I'm so anxious to see what Jorge >> and other developers can do. >> >> I hope this helps. If you have further questions, just let us know. >> Hope to see and hear from you during our televideo conference on Tuesday. >> I trust Carl will be sending out a reminder with the connection info. >> >> Owen >> On 5/6/2020 8:14 PM, Paola Di Maio wrote: >> >> Thanks >> Sounds great >> If you could circulate a web based version of parser that can produce an >> output based on stratml ulr inputs >> we can play around with it and let you know- >> I am not likely to download a parser to my machine that would not work >> for me >> Does it make sense? >> thank you >> P >> >> >> On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 8:04 AM Jorge Sanchez <jorge@vionta.net> wrote: >> >>> Hi Paola, >>> >>> From what I remember you can use antlr.org <https://www.antlr.org> to >>> define and interpret grammars. Xml would be an easy task for Antlr, but no >>> need to do it as there are a myriad of pre-built tools that we can use for >>> that. >>> >>> *"is the wizard you are working on going to have an online interface?"* >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Yes, it definitely has. Multilingual (English and Spanish by now).The >>> form is provided in two ways: >>> - Anyone can download and use the client side form. It can be >>> deployed in a HTTP server and integrated with a regular HTTP REST endpoint. >>> Config can be adjusted using the config.xml file. >>> - Anyone can deploy the JEE application on a compliant >>> Java/Jakarta EE server. It would require to adjust the user permissions or >>> just disable them (check the role names on the web.xml). >>> >>> Any feedback would be great. Although at this point I expect that anyone >>> that use it would require some level of assistance. The main goal is that >>> any organization can use it to build their internal plan repository. >>> >>> Regards. >>> >>> >>> >>> ---- On Tue, 05 May 2020 13:33:25 +0200 *Paola Di Maio >>> <paoladimaio10@gmail.com <paoladimaio10@gmail.com>>* wrote ---- >>> >>> Thank you >>> you say that antrl doesnt work with xml? >>> >>> is the wizard you are working on going to have an online interface? >>> something we can enter the urls to be parsed with pointers to specific >>> fields we want >>> to query >>> would you like user input /requirements for the wizard? >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 7:29 PM Jorge Sanchez <jorge@vionta.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hi Paola, >>> >>> Antlr is a well known tool for grammars. Anyway at StratML we rely on >>> Xml schemas to describe and analyze the domain. >>> >>> The original form is at Owens github (also on the stratml.us site): >>> >>> https://github.com/OwenAmbur/StratML >>> >>> You can find also the latest status of the wizard form at Vionta site >>> (standalone client side): >>> >>> https://github.com/vionta/StratML/tree/master/forms/wizard >>> >>> Or the full web application (Java/Jakarta + maven) with the wizard form >>> at: >>> >>> https://github.com/vionta/stratml-web-app >>> >>> Kind Regards. >>> >>> >>> ---- On Mon, 04 May 2020 14:38:10 +0200 *Paola Di Maio >>> <paola.dimaio@gmail.com <paola.dimaio@gmail.com>>* wrote ---- >>> >>> There are a number of open source tools that ( they say) should be able >>> to parse structured text >>> I found antlr https://www.antlr.org/ >>> do people know of others? >>> >>> I wonder if we should/could evaluate existing tools to see if they can >>> do the job befor building an ad hoc one >>> >>> In addition, I t would be interesting to see the approach for jorge's >>> parsers for stratml >>> is this work being done somewhere visible like githug or is it happening >>> offline? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- Chris Fox Chris C Fox Consulting Limited chris@chriscfox.com +44 77 860 21712 <http://www.chriscfox.com> <https://calendly.com/chriscfox> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/chriscfox> <http://www.twitter.com/chriscfox> <http://www.facebook.com/pages/StrategicCoffee/102920468071> <https://join.skype.com/invite/oxuJFtEDlgQw> Have you tried https://www.StratNavApp.com <https://www.stratnavapp.com/>, the online collaborative tool for strategy development and execution? 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