Re: Schema.org Custom Queries

Owen

the way I see it, stratml is a schema.

If schema.org  want to add it to their
list of schemas, would be great to be able to help that process by making
appropriate version modifications as required

I have also observed that inclusion is arbitrary and spurious, criteria and
process for inclusion seem inscrutable,  - depending on the resources and
priorities they have at the time presumably - not something I d be
comfortable working with as such

schema /schemata existed long before schema.org formed.  The appropriation
of a commons term does not limit anyone in any way to use the term,

If we manage to use stratml successfully/give proof of concept we can put
our results to them for information

PDM

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 1:01 AM Owen Ambur <Owen.Ambur@verizon.net> wrote:

> From my perspective, the key point of Chris' message is that, while custom
> Google queries can be built based upon the Schema.org vocabulary, that
> vocabulary does not address the required elements for strategic and
> performance plans and reports, which are specified in the StratML standard.
>
> It has been suggested that we form a W3C CG to work to incorporate the
> StratML core into Schema.org and I am certainly open to doing so.  However,
> my impression is that the Schema.org folks may be hostile to such an
> initiative and I have not seen much evidence of support.
>
> It seems to me that our time and efforts might be better spent working
> toward the development of new, more innovative, and better services, rather
> than being bound by constraints imposed upon us by the incumbent powers
> that be.  Perhaps that's merely because I happen to live in the "land of
> the free and the home of the brave."
>
> Owen
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: Re: Agenda & Methodology for Next AIKR CG Meeting?
> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2020 08:49:38 +0800
> From: Paola Di Maio <paoladimaio10@gmail.com> <paoladimaio10@gmail.com>
> To: Chris Fox <chris@chriscfox.com> <chris@chriscfox.com>
> CC: Owen Ambur <Owen.Ambur@verizon.net> <Owen.Ambur@verizon.net>, Carl
> Mattocks <carlmattocks@gmail.com> <carlmattocks@gmail.com>, Jorge
> Sanchez. <jorgesr@zoho.eu> <jorgesr@zoho.eu>, Paul Alagna
> <pjalagna@gmail.com> <pjalagna@gmail.com>
>
> Thank you for the email
> I need a bit of time to digest the content but... why are we not copying
> the list?
> Can we have these discussions on the list? At a minimum these important
> exchanges
> would be in the archive. otherwise we may lose them with time
> Unless you have a reason otherwise, please cc the list (I can forward the
> last couple of mails I received).  I ll digest the stuff and get back to
> you soon
> PDM
>
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 3:18 AM Chris Fox <chris@chriscfox.com> wrote:
>
>> Paola,
>>
>> I promised earlier to send you details of my brief and unsatisfying
>> attempt to build an onotological search of StratML documents. This is
>> adapted from an email I had sent to Owen at the time.
>>
>>
>>    1. Its not actually using StratML. It uses Schema.org.
>>    StratNavApp.com allows me to export any strategy and performance plans in
>>    both StratML and Schema.org format from the same data source which is
>>    handy. The Schema.org schema is a very poor second to StratML for our
>>    purposes. But it did allow me to set up this experiment.
>>    2. I have set up a google custom query based on Schema.Org Person
>>    and/or Organization types here:
>>    https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=001681981825345215165:63kdx0f8nkg
>>    3. If I search on, say "Owen Ambur" then about the 6th item on the
>>    search results is a reference to an HTML Schema.Org marked-up copy of the
>>    "Center for Open Science (COS) Strategic Plan 2017 - 2020 with Programs &
>>    Performance Indicators". (It may not be exactly the 6th item for you as
>>    Google does tend to vary results from user to user and from time to time,
>>    but it will be up there.
>>    4. Its only number 6 because a few other sites, like Linkedin also
>>    use Schema.Org markup.
>>    5. If I do the same search on regular Google (see for example
>>    https://www.google.com/search?q=owen+Ambur&rlz=1C1CHBF_enGB878GB878&ei=zFohXriqAs-M1fAP3N-KyAs&start=0&sa=N&ved=2ahUKEwi4wM-dh4rnAhVPRhUIHdyvArk4RhDy0wN6BAgLEC4&cshid=1579244415567749&biw=1920&bih=937)
>>    then you will note that that search result does not show up at all in the 8
>>    pages of results returned. Sadly Google does not 'rate' the reports my app
>>    produces yet!
>>    6. This shows that the custom search, using the Schema.Org is doing a
>>    better job of finding Schema.Org marked up content.
>>
>> As you can see, this falls far short of being a useful solution.
>>
>> If you have any pointers to something better I am sure we'd all be very
>> interested to learn more about it.
>>
>> Kind Regards,
>> Chris
>>
>> On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 at 18:43, Chris Fox <chris@chriscfox.com> wrote:
>>
>>> All, I have included responses to some of Owen's points interspersed in
>>> the text below.
>>>
>>> On Tue, 10 Mar 2020 at 16:01, Owen Ambur <Owen.Ambur@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Carl & Paola, if Chris is agreeable, it seems to me that it might be
>>>> beneficial at our next meeting on March 24 for him to share his screen
>>>> while we discuss and he edits the performance plan for our group in
>>>> real-time.
>>>>
>>> I would certainly be agreeable to that.
>>>
>>>> I'm not sure how his app might react if we were all logged on and
>>>> editing simultaneously during the meeting.
>>>>
>>> Yes, that sort of simultaneous multi-user access is exactly the sort of
>>> thing that StratNavApp.com is designed to support. To be clear, different
>>> users can edit different parts of the same plan at the same time. However,
>>> if two or more users try to edit the same part of the same plan at the same
>>> time, then only one of them will be able to edit with the others seeing
>>> that part of the plan in 'read-only' mode. This is to prevent updates
>>> overwriting each other. Once the first user is finished, then the other
>>> users can, of course, go ahead and make their own changes. I can
>>> demonstrate this capability at our next meeting if there is an appetite.
>>>
>>>> However, in the meantime, it seems to me that we should all feel free
>>>> to edit and comment on the shell draft of the plan that Carl previously
>>>> proposed, at
>>>> https://www.stratnavapp.com/Projects/413d648b-bd36-418d-af74-e15b0cd8281d
>>>>
>>>> For example, Carl, it would be good if you could either incorporate in
>>>> that draft the points you displayed today or create a new plan containing
>>>> them, which could be the focal point for our next meeting.
>>>>
>>> Carl, as per my previous email, you can add any notes, etc. from today's
>>> meeting in that plan at
>>> https://www.stratnavapp.com/Projects/413d648b-bd36-418d-af74-e15b0cd8281d/Meetings/158f484a-f3c4-4ad3-9082-b02bd85264d4 where
>>> you will see I also tried to capture some actions as we were talking.
>>>
>>>> The broader plan for the AIKR CG is available in Chris' app at
>>>> https://www.stratnavapp.com/Projects/b3dff87d-bb39-4ef3-b513-c5183d5c8e7c
>>>>
>>> Owen, you will need to share that project with the individual members of
>>> this group before they will be able to access it.
>>>
>>>> As Chris mentioned, I have a whole bunch of StratML documents (>4,000)
>>>> that can be used to demonstrate query/discovery services, at
>>>> https://stratml.us/drybridge/index.htm  The URLs for all of them are
>>>> available in sitemap format at https://stratml.us/sitemap.xml
>>>>
>>>> Carl, with reference to our interchange regarding use cases, the
>>>> StratML use cases that have been documented thus far are available in
>>>> StratML Part 1 format at https://stratml.us/carmel/iso/UC4SwStyle.xml
>>>> and the tool, app, and service requirements are documented at
>>>> https://stratml.us/carmel/iso/SMLTASwStyle.xml
>>>>
>>> I see you have added AI to the list of use cases as Goal 30. It seems
>>> from our conversations that you could add an additional cole to document
>>> the goals and objectives of role profiles (as we propose doing for the AI
>>> Strategist).
>>>
>>>> Paola, with reference to your comment about the need for notifications,
>>>> see this requirement: Deadline Reminders
>>>> <https://stratml.us/carmel/iso/SMLTASwStyle.xml#_15447dd4-208f-11e6-a80e-7333871eb3cb>
>>>> - Provide notification of impending end dates for performance indicators.
>>>> The StratML schema supports the necessary data, but as far as I am aware,
>>>> no services yet take advantage of that data to provide notices to
>>>> stakeholders.
>>>>
>>> StratNavApp.com does notify stakeholders when a performance indicator is
>>> due for its next measurement instance. This feature is fairly basic in its
>>> ambition but it could certainly be expanded upon if the need arose.
>>>
>>>> Usage of the stratml:Relationship elements is demonstrated in this
>>>> draft of the comprehensive plan for my community:
>>>> https://connectedcommunity.net/hhi/StaffDraft/OPDT.xml#_5e71c342-8e51-11e9-9a35-540165babdf6
>>>> (The links open in a new browser tab.)
>>>>
>>> Owen, for transparency, I should probably remind you that the StratML
>>> Relationship is only partly implemented in StratNavApp.com. You may recall
>>> we've discussed the reasons for this in the past. You can embed hyperlinks
>>> directly into description fields as a workaround. Maybe this will finally
>>> present me with a sufficient use case for completing this implementation.
>>>
>>> Kind Regards,
>>> Chris
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>>
>>
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>>
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