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Re: New Draft: draft-ohanlon-transport-info-header

From: Piers O'Hanlon <p.ohanlon@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 12:56:13 +0000
Message-ID: <CAFWWCs5u=qAjmhPek17YqN=AmVJgyCXEVkfP2RsQ5uM-DBZc0A@mail.gmail.com>
To: Lucas Pardue <lucaspardue.24.7@gmail.com>
Cc: HTTP Working Group <ietf-http-wg@w3.org>
Hi Lucas,

Thanks for bring that up - as you say Nginx's default for
http2_max_requests is 1000, although it can be changed (and appears to
be done so for RPC applications). I'm not sure how many other server
implementations do this?

Firstly, we can detect this through of the use of the dstport
parameter - as a new TCP connection would use a different port.
Although it could potentially lead to temporary loss of information
for a time as discussed below.

Secondly, the affect of this would be only apparent each time the
request count is exceeded - so say every 1000 requests - when a switch
over would occur. When a switch over does occur then it depends on the
comparative duration of the data responses of interest, versus how
often one wants to perform parallel HEAD/OPTION requests for
Transport-Info. So for the case where where the frequency of parallel
requests is about the same then I think it shouldn't matter much as
with most server systems these days the congestion control parameters
are cached in the kernel so a subsequent connection to the same
destination would be preloaded with the cached metrics so the
Transport-Info header would contain these. In the case where there's a
series of long running responses then it might be an issue as after
switch over point there would also be two parallel TCP connections to
the same point but they would exist separately for a longer period so
potentially the metrics obtained via subsequent HEAD/OPTIONS could be
different as the cwnd can be reduced for low volume flows, though
these would generally not be used since the dstport would not match so
there could be a loss of information in this case.

Cheers

Piers

On Fri, 22 Nov 2019 at 10:51, Lucas Pardue <lucaspardue.24.7@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Hi Piers,
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> On Fri, 22 Nov 2019, 17:58 Piers O'Hanlon, <p.ohanlon@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Hi all,
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>> - “It only provides information per response which isn’t very often”
>> We mention in the draft that with H2+ one can send and arbitrary number of requests (using OPTIONS/HEAD) to obtain more measurements responses per unit time.
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> I have an observation but not sure it belongs in a document. Implementations such as nginx have a soft max number of HTTP/2 requests before closing the connection (default 1000 last I checked). If you're trying to sample the transport info to frequently you may end ip blowing it up. This seems unfortunate because the client use case is designed around making smarter transport related decisions.
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> Cheers
> Lucas
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>> We would welcome any more feedback by email and/or Github issues
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>> Thanks,
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>> Piers O'Hanlon
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