- From: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>
- Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 10:30:40 +1000
- To: Erik Nygren <erik@nygren.org>
- Cc: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>, "Julian F. Reschke" <julian.reschke@gmx.de>, HTTP Working Group <ietf-http-wg@w3.org>
So, to be clear, you're suggesting that both the Alt-Svc header field and the ALTSVC frame type have the side effect of cache invalidation?
Personally -- I'm not sure that's a good idea.
For example, imagine a http:// service that a) wants to use Opp-Sec and b) the alternate wants to do some load balancing, etc.
The http:// service sets an Alt-Svc header field with a very long lifetime, so that Opp-Sec is as sticky as possible.
The alternate, OTOH, uses a fairly short lifetime for load balancing.
With cache invalidation, the alternate doing load balancing is going to clear the cache of the Opp-Sec hint, thereby forcing the client to go back to the http:// origin once the (short lifetime) load balancing policy expires.
Without invalidation, it'd fall back to the original Opp-Sec alternative.
Likewise for the SNI segmentation use case.
Regards,
On 24 Aug 2014, at 11:30 am, Erik Nygren <erik@nygren.org> wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 7:50 PM, Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 22 August 2014 14:53, Erik Nygren <erik@nygren.org> wrote:
> > but does not define anything similar for the ALTSVC frame. Aligning the
> > frame and the
> > header would allow this to apply to both.
>
> I think that we would want to move the Origin field up to the header
> with Max-Age. Logically, you store alternatives for different origins
> separately, so requiring different frames makes sense there. It also
> removes any potential for duplication.
>
> Also 8 bits of length is not sufficient for an HTTP origin if the name
> is maximum size. I'd assume that the same applies to authority.
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> Agreed on both counts. What about this, then:
>
> 0 1 2 3
> 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1
> +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
> | Max-Age (32) |
> +---------------+---------------+-------------------------------+
> | Origin-Len (16) | Origin? (*) ...
> +---------------------------------------------------------------+
> |Num-Alt-Auth(8)|
> +---------------+---------------+-------------------------------+
> | Proto-Len(8) | Protocol-ID (*) |
> +---------------+-----------------------------------------------+
> | Alt-Auth-Len (16) | Alt-Auth (*) ...
> +---------------+-----------------------------------------------+
> | Ext-Param? (*) ...
> +---------------------------------------------------------------+
>
> where Origin-Len=0 would be used in the case where this was part of a Stream != 0
> and Num-Alt-Auth>=1. The {Proto-Len, Protocol-ID, Alt-Auth-Len, Alt-Auth} would be
> repeated Num-Alt-Auth times. Alt-Auth is a string such as "server.example.com:443"
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Received on Monday, 25 August 2014 00:31:10 UTC