- From: Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@phk.freebsd.dk>
- Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 21:45:23 +0000
- To: Henrik Frystyk Nielsen <henrikn@microsoft.com>
- cc: William Chan (???) <willchan@chromium.org>, HTTP Working Group <ietf-http-wg@w3.org>, Howard Dierking <howard@microsoft.com>
In message <3605BA99C081B54EA9B65B3E33316AF7346C9CBD@CH1PRD0310MB392.namprd03.p rod.outlook.com>, Henrik Frystyk Nielsen writes: Henrik, thanks for some very interesting data. > 1) It seems safe to assert that whatever we come up with in > HTTP/2.0 should be significantly faster than what can be achieved > with an optimized HTTP/1.1 I expect we can all agree on this, the fight will break out at 9pm, when we try to define the meaning of "faster", "significantly" etc :-) "faster" is not as unambiguous as most people think. We have all seen the CNN exponential traffic plots from that day[1] and if anything we must expect that such "event driven peaks" will be even more summitous in the future. In the generalized "#neilwebfail" scenario, "faster" for the individual client means "when does something appear on my screen?" whereas "faster" for the server means "how soon can I get something to appear on many/most screens". Addressing this in HTTP/2.0 with "Tough luck, buy more bandwidth & servers", is not good enough. Content-level design has a lot to do with this, as CNN showed with their static HTML. If I understand your data right, what you have done is server-neutral, but HTTP/2.0 ideas like "default pipeline/parallism windows of 6" will not be server neutral, and are almost guaranteed to make any load problem at least six times worse for servers. So, yes, I agree: HTTP/2.0 must be faster than HTTP1.1, but we need to talk about "faster for who ?" and "faster how ?" Poul-Henning [1] Deliberate "avoid using T-word" obfuscation. -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 phk@FreeBSD.ORG | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.
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