- From: Brian Gaines <gaines@cpsc.ucalgary.ca>
- Date: Sun, 31 Dec 1995 17:33:40 -0700
- To: http-wg%cuckoo.hpl.hp.com@hplb.hpl.hp.com
Shel Kaphan writes >So far, the only conditional allowed in HTTP is GET with >if-modified-since. Perhaps you're referring to the fact that in >response to BACK and FORWARD commands, Netscape allows the user to OK >a new send of a POST when it no longer has the data (or when it has >expired, which is against the rules in the spec, by the way). Please >take a look at the description of the Expires header in the spec. >There's a short disclaimer about interactions with browser history >functions. What Netscape sends is:- POST /KSS.acgi/WebGrid/Main.k HTTP/1.0 If-Modified-Since: Sunday, 31-Dec-95 17:13:19 GMT; length=3813 Referer: http://tiger.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/RealEstate/JohnMary.html Connection: Keep-Alive User-Agent: Mozilla/2.0b4 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Pragma: no-cache Host: tiger.cpsc.ucalgary.ca Accept: image/gif, image/x-xbitmap, image/jpeg, image/pjpeg, */* Accept-Language: en Content-type: application/x-www-form-urlencoded Content-length: 3181 WebGrid=10%7C0%7C7%2F16%2F95%7C6%3A03%3A38+PM&Header=%7BIMG+SRC%3D%5C%2......... Since this is a POST with an "If-Modified-Since:" field I am calling it a conditional POST. If you interpret it as something else then I'd be interested to know your reasoning. As I noted previously, conditional POSTs make the same sense as conditional GETs so there is nothing wrong with what Nescape is doing. It does not conform with the specification but it is the spec that is wrong in making inessential differences between GETs and POSTs. >Sorry, but most users do *not* equate the BACK button with "undo", and >in fact, most naive users don't know there's a difference between a >link that says "go back" and using the browser's BACK button, and to >the extent it is possible to preserve the lack of requirement for >users to know how these things work, I think it should be preserved. > Your sequence of statements seem conflicting. Naive users are totally unaware of the existence of "Undo" precisely because they just click on "Back" and things are naturally undone. We have undertaken usability studies of the web and users do definitely use the "Back" button as an "undo" without any specific instructions to do so. It gives them a great sense of security to know that they can just back out of a transaction. As you say, they just jump back to a past state and they assume the world is no in that state. It is up to the system designer to program the server to manage this situation effectively. All partial transactions are intrinsically undoable prior to committment, and even committed transactions can usually be undone unless the system spec makes it impossible. b. Dr Brian R Gaines Knowledge Science Institute University of Calgary gaines@cpsc.ucalgary.ca Calgary, Alberta, Canada T2N 1N4 403-220-5901 Fax:403-284-4707 http://ksi.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/KSI
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