- From: Roy Fielding <fielding@beach.w3.org>
- Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 16:38:06 -0400
- To: Jim Seidman <jim@spyglass.com>
- Cc: http-wg%cuckoo.hpl.hp.com@hplb.hpl.hp.com
>Could you summarize why 411 is needed? If I'm reading draft 01 right, >anytime someone mistypes their username or password for Basic authentication >the server should send back 411. I know this change will break at least >some of the existing web browsers, since they look for 401 to trigger their >authentication code. There should be a very compelling reason to make a >major change from current practice, especially since current practice is so >widely implemented. Well, here's the problem: User requests a protected URI Server returns 401 Unauthorized User Agent presents pop-up dialog User enters authentication info (or just OKs a stored credential) UA repeats request using credentials Server interprets credentials, and finds them lacking Server returns 401 Unauthorized User Agent presents pop-up dialog User enters authentication info (or just OKs a stored credential) UA repeats request using credentials Server interprets credentials, and finds them lacking Server returns 401 Unauthorized ... The problem is that the User Agent is not showing the user why the authentication failed. This is not a problem for Basic AA because it is a simple user:passwd scheme, and it is probably best that the user not know why it failed. However, consider the case of something like Mediated Digest AA, the failure may be do to any number of reasons -- some of which may be correctable by the user outside the scope of this user agent. The user agent needs to know that it must show the user the entity enclosed with the response. So, the question is, do we want to require that a 401 response be shown to the user if Authorization for the indicated scheme+realm has already been tried and failed? If yes, then we don't need 411. If no, then we will need 411. BTW, it was added because of a prior thread on this list regarding someone's desire to say "authorization refused" AND explain what the user must to do to get authorization. Existing user agents made that impossible because they never show the contents of 401. ....Roy T. Fielding Department of ICS, University of California, Irvine USA Visiting Scholar, MIT/LCS + World-Wide Web Consortium (fielding@w3.org) (fielding@ics.uci.edu)
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