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RE: Sun and independent developers

From: Anne Thomas Manes <anne@manes.net>
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 11:12:58 -0700
To: "Dave Winer" <dave@userland.com>, <graham.hamilton@sun.com>, <rahul.sharma@sun.com>, <pelegri@eng.sun.com>
Cc: "Tim O'Reilly" <tim@oreilly.com>, <xml-prc@yahoogroups.com>, <soapbuilders@yahoogroups.com>, <decentralization@yahoogroups.com>, <xml-dev@lists.xml.org>, "Xml-Dist-App@W3. Org" <xml-dist-app@w3.org>

I suspect it's an oversight and not intended as an affront to the XML-RPC
community. The API is officially called "Java APIs for XML based RPC", known
as JAX/RPC for short. The JSR should reflect this name. I'm sure that Rahul
Sharma, Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart, or Graham Hamilton will make sure that the
issue is resolved quickly.

Anne Thomas Manes
CTO, Idoox

> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of Dave Winer
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 7:48 AM
> To: xml-rpc@yahoogroups.com; soapbuilders@yahoogroups.com;
> decentralization@yahoogroups.com; xml-dev@lists.xml.org;
> xml-dist-app@w3.org
> Cc: Tim O'Reilly
> Subject: Sun and independent developers
> To whom it may concern..
> A few months ago a document [1] appeared entitled "Java APIs for
> sent an email to Anne Thomas-Manes, strenuously objecting. The document
> didn't point to XML-RPC [2], although it attempts to survey the
> landscape in
> XML-over-HTTP protocols. XML-RPC was the first such protocol, and arguably
> is the most used, with 45 implementations [3] (including Java), a frozen
> spec, and a very active developer community.
> Their lawyers got in the loop and claimed that they had the right
> to confuse
> developers and users, however, as a "courtesy to Dave Winer," they changed
> the document and the crisis was over. Yesterday Paul Nakada [4] discovered
> that the document is back in its original form, with support from lots of
> well-known companies. This is disturbing. It isn't about me, forget the
> courtesy, try self-respect, and support for independent developers.
> There are so many reasons for the XML-RPC community to work with Sun. We
> could help them stay in the market if they just worked with us -- instead
> they pick on us. Unbelievable. They just must not be thinking
> strategically
> at Sun. Maybe this could get the conversation going about how to
> strengthen
> Java to preserve developer choice. It's really quite simple. Just ask and
> we'll help you.
> BTW, I got an email from Anne saying she had left Sun to work at Idoox.
> Perhaps that has something to do with this reversal.
> Bottom-line, if you work at Sun, or work at one of their partner
> companies,
> especially if your company is listed as a supporter on that page
> [1], get in
> touch with the people responsible for this work and ask them to
> get in touch
> with the XML-RPC community. Instead of trying to roll us over
> (why?) -- work
> with us. We want a multi-party system. We don't want to get in the trunk
> with Microsoft. We want our independence, and for that, we want
> to see Java
> stay strong. The term XML-RPC means something. Respect that, and
> enhance it.
> Thanks for listening.
> Dave Winer
> UserLand Software
> [1] http://jcp.org/jsr/detail/101.jsp
> [2] http://www.xmlrpc.com/
> [3] http://www.xmlrpc.com/directory/1568/implementations
> [4] http://mynakada.weblogs.com/2001/09/05
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