- From: Jeremy Carroll <jjc@hpl.hp.com>
- Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 22:43:53 +0100
- To: www-webont-wg@w3.org
NOTE: unidentified party ??P40 joined telecon at 17:22:16 and did not leave, may be "dlm" - I am not sure who that is, Deb? Might be CharlesW who is recorded as leaving but not joining. ======== Chair: Guus Scribe: Jeremy Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2003Dec/0067 irc log (needs access changing) http://www.w3.org/2003/12/18-webont-irc Summary ======= Decisions ======== Approve review of QA with edits agreed and editorial discretion to Evan Publish Sean's document as WG note New Actions ========== Note: action amnesty declared. Evan Send msg 0065 with edits to QA jjc Propose editorial change theory to map jjc expand proposal to modify 205 without Full Sandro act as team contact for Sean's note Jim Add annotation property to agenda for 15th January Detail ===== (2 AOBs added, Sean's doc, and FYI on best practices WG) 1.0 Admin Role Call: Yasser, Guus, Mike_Dean, jjc, Ian_Horrocks, Deb_Mcguinness, Evan_Wallace, HermanT, DanC, SeanB, Sandro and JimH, mike smith, CharlesW Regrets weren't taken, scribe notes the following from the mailing list: de Roo, Euzenat, Gibbins, Heflin Next Call 15th January 2004 (propose Guus, second Dan) 2.0 Proposed Recommendation (WOOHOO) OWL is a Proposed Recommendation Thanks to Dan Connolly, Sandro Hawke. Also thanks to Jeremy Carroll for effort on Test. Thanks to all the editors. Whole group should feel proud. Please encourage your AC reps to give feedback on the OWL PR and the RDF PR. Note the AC advises the director who makes the decision. DanC gave an explanation of the PR process, this is omitted from the minutes. (Sean's doc added as AOB) 3.0 Approve minutes of last call (Nov 13) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2003Nov/0064.html RESOLVED minutes approved 4.0 Action review There are no pending actions on documents action amnesty declared. (outstanding actions may be completed but are no longer required) 5.0 Discussion of QA review http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2003Dec/0065.html part II of review is a case study for their guidelines Discussion of whether msg should be split into parts I,III and II RESOLVED: Approve review of QA with edits agreed and editorial discretion to Evan ACTION Evan Send msg 0065 with edits to QA Lots verbally in favour, none against, none abstains Thanks to Evan and Jeremy for review. 6.0 Errata Discussion of if/how we can handle errata at this time. DanC gave an explanation of the process - a few highlights. + the documents now belong to the director + we may make minor changes in editors draft but - the cost is high - all changes need to be carefully tracked - changes should be made in response to outside comment. - fixing typos is OK + must not cross line where someone who voted for PR is unhappy with REC AC reps may make comments which include fixes AC reps can add comments after having voted Discussion of XMLLiteral in OWL see thread starting with http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2003Nov/0132.html === This was the major item this call. The discussion started with many agreeing (slowly) that S&AS was the normative defn of OWL and Test is subsidiary to it. Herman makes the point that the text of tests misc-201-204 needs to change in his position (and misc-205 should be obsoleted). We discussed these five tests particular misc-205 see http://www.w3.org/TR/owl-test/misc-200-xmlliteral#miscellaneous-205 http://www.w3.org/TR/owl-test/misc-200-xmlliteral#misc-200-xmlliteral Crucially, if you have not added reasoning for rdf:XMLLiteral then test 205 comes out this way, and the four passes for this test indicate that some implementors have chosen to not implement rdf:XMLLiteral (or to allow it to be switched off) Hendler: if you have not added reasoning for rdf:XMLLiteral then test 205 comes out this way. Herman points to D interpretations being imported in section 5 of S&AS from RDF Semantics, D interpretations in RDF Semantics have rdf:XMLLiteral. Horrocks: section 3 of S&AS definitely does not contain this condition Herman suggested that the tests depend on section 5 countered, Carroll countered by pointing that the primary link from say http://www.w3.org/TR/owl-test/#testConsistency is into section 3 of S&AS with a secondary link into section 5 of S&AS. Herman: if OWL DL does not support rdf:XMLLiteral then it is not a semantic ext of RDFS (Sandro and Jim made IRC comments against requiring rdf:XMLLiteral that were not part of the verbal telecon) Herman wanted to add rdf:XMLLiteral to sections 3 and 5 of S&AS and make consequential editorial changes. He asserts this is merely a clarification (fixing a possible misreading) Jeremy suggested changing section 5 of S&AS as a clarification and making consequential changes in test, principally that misc-205 would be a Lite only test. Jeremy also suggested that the editorial change of s/datatype theory/datatype map/ in test to bring it into line with the terminology in S&AS is a good one. Herman believes Carroll proposal (change to test misc-205) is better than no change Carroll noted that business arguments moved him more than technical arguments in this case. No consensus was reached. ACTION jjc Propose editorial change theory to map ACTION jjc expand proposal to modify 205 without Full (there was further discussion of dates) Discussion of annotation property http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2003Dec/0063.html (Item skipped) ACTION Hendler Add annotation property to agenda for 15th January 7.0 AOB - Sean's Parsing OWL document RESOLVED publishing Sean's document as WG note (we did not use a URL the scribe understood it to be the one discussed in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2003Dec/0087 ) ACTION Sandro act as team contact for Sean's note Unanimous AOB FYI Call for discussion on charter of BP group to take places in Cannes WebOnt WG will not be meeting in Cannes There will be a party for WebOnt WG members at Cannes
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