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Re: Fwd: scribe of 14th Novermber Telecon

From: Dan Connolly <connolly@w3.org>
Date: 14 Nov 2002 14:11:28 -0600
To: Jim Hendler <hendler@cs.umd.edu>
Cc: webont <www-webont-wg@w3.org>
Message-Id: <1037304689.10253.808.camel@dirk>

On Thu, 2002-11-14 at 13:03, Jim Hendler wrote:
> 
> At 7:34 PM +0100 11/14/02, <ruediger.klein@daimlerchrysler.com> wrote:
> >From: <ruediger.klein@daimlerchrysler.com>
> >To: <hendler@cs.umd.edu>
> >Subject: scribe of 14th Novermber Telecon
> >Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 19:34:30 +0100
> >...
> (Jim H gets log from Ruediger with request to fix some things and 
> forward to WG)
> 
> Ruediger -- I made a few amendments to your log below, including 
> highlighting the ACTIONS and RESOLUTIONS to make it easier for future 
> use of these docs.  I also added one or two other bullets about who 
> said what.  All, please review to make sure Ruediger and I didn't 
> misquote anyone

I see one or two important bits missing...

>   -Jim H
> 
> 
> W3C WOWG Telecon 14.11.2002
> ---------------------------
> 
> Chair: JimH
> Scribe: Ruediger Klein
> 
> Participants:
> 
> listed in Irc log to be forwarded in separate message

JonathanD, Pfps, Ora, DanC, JeffH, LarryE, NickG, RudigerK, M_Smith,
JohnS, Evan_Wallace, HermanT, JeromeE, Jim_Hendler, IanH, Massimo,
ChrisW, JeremyC, Guus, Marwan, JonathanB
per http://www.w3.org/2002/11/14-webont-irc

(I think maybe Obrst was present)

> Regrets:
> 
> Recorded in WOWG mailing list archives.

Thompson, Miller, Obrst, Stein, De Roo, Dean, 

(found that by searching for "regrets" and sorting
newest-first)
http://www.w3.org/Search/Mail/Public/advanced_search?keywords=regrets&hdr-1-name=subject&hdr-1-query=&hdr-2-name=from&hdr-2-query=&hdr-3-name=message-id&hdr-3-query=&resultsperpage=20&sortby=date&index-grp=Public%2FFULL&index-type=t&type-index=www-webont-wg


> 1. Approval of last weeks Telecon
> ---------------------------------
> Minutes approved
i.e.

Message-Id: <p05111701b9f77e611ef3@[10.0.1.2]>
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 22:58:59 -0500
To: webont <www-webont-wg@w3.org>
From: Jim Hendler <hendler@cs.umd.edu>
Subject: Fwd: Minutes  of 11/07 WebOnt Telecon
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2002Nov/0157.html


1.3 Agenda Amendments

Hendler proposed

Message-Id: <p05111708b9f8cad080aa@[10.0.1.2]>
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2002Nov/0183.html

connolly asked to discuss last call and liaisons;
JimH put it under 2.0.


> Telecon on Nov 21 
> No telecon on Nov 28 - US holiday of Thanksgiving
> (regrets for next week from DanC and Massimo)

and from Leo Obrst, due to an OMG event.


> Scribe: JimH
> Chair: Guus
> 
> 1.5 F2F Meeting in January
> --------------------------
> Ian Horrocks will contact the Travel Inn Hotel for special rate and 
> room reservations
> (the hotel is about 10 min. walk from the meeting place)
> 
> 2. WOWG Extension
> -----------------
> IMPORTANT
> 
> Group members should contact their W3C representatives in the case 
> they will encounter any resource problems
> due to the extension

The call for review was linked from the agenda, but here
it is again:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-members/2002OctDec/0031.html


> dependencies to be taken into account:
> OMG 
> FIPA
> DARPA DAML
> RDF Core WG 
> Web Services description

That list comes from the schedule on our WG home page:
http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/WebOnt/#L151 , and it's
subject to negotiation.

Connolly emphasized that last call does NOT mean "ok,
now start reading." Now is the time
to get related groups to read the specs and send
comments. Last call is the time to ask "have we
integrated the comments you've given us to your
satisfaction?"

> ACTION: Jim H to contact Web Services Desc. about this.
> 
> 3. Documents
> ---------------------
> 
> Working drafts of all documents available now:
> Semantics Document Published
> http://www.w3.org/TR/owl-semantics/
> Guide Document Published
> http://www.w3.org/TR/owl-guide/

WOOHOO! ahem...

I think Massimo said the reference should go out
soon too.

> 4. Issues List
> --------------
> 
> Evan's  "the meaning of owl:ontology"
> Decision that this does not need to be an Issue.   Chris Welty will 
> work on getting it explained better in Guide, other editors will see 
> if their documents need changing (not obvious they do).

ACTION: Chris Welty will 
work on getting it [ explained better in Guide, other editors will see 
if their documents need changing (not obvious they do).


> 
> = Issue 5.5 - List Syntax or Semantics (Updates Action, needs closure?)
> Jeremy's message plus follow-up:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2002Oct/0203.html
> list syntax or semantics in RDF CORE
> RESOLVED:  close this issue, based on the RDF and OWL semantics documents

Jeremy's proposal regarded these particular documents.
http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/WD-owl-semantics-20021108/
http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/WD-rdf-mt-20021112/


> ACTION: Jeremy to generate test Cases
> 
> = Issue 5.6 - imports (Action review, decision whether to put to vote)
> (Guus chairs the discussion about this issue)
> [long confusing discussion about x proposals from JimH, Jeff, Dan...]
> Straw Polls reveal more support for Jeff's proposal of Nov 1

i.e.

Message-ID: <3DC2A209.BA25D98F@cse.lehigh.edu>
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2002 10:47:21 -0500
From: Jeff Heflin <heflin@cse.lehigh.edu>
To: "Peter F. Patel-Schneider" <pfps@research.bell-labs.com>
CC: www-webont-wg@w3.org
Subject: Re: LANG: need to CLOSE Issue 5.6 Imports as magic syntax
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2002Nov/0004.html


> then for 
> any other currently available.
> Question is called by Chair
> 
> Vote on Jeff's proposal (IRC message # ...) "owl:imports as magic syntax":
> RESOLVED: to close owl:imports as per Jeff's memo of Nov 1, rejecting 
> Pat's suggestions to change it.
> OBJECTIONS: Connolly, Welty, JimH
> abstain: Bordan, Marvan, Jonathan, Ruediger
> noted that Pat Hayes raised objections in email.
> 
> ACTION Jeff Heflin will produce test cases for owl:imports

Jeremy noted some related outstanding action; any idea
what that was, Jeremy?

> = Issue 5.9 - malformed D+O restrictions
> 
> (Closed, pending action)
> Dan would like to amend the proposal with some clear instructions to the
> guide that says "Don't do that".  Dan was actioned to write up a few
> sentences for the guide.
> ACTION: DanC to proivde wording - continued
> 
> = Issue 5.19 - Classes as Instances
> 
> [DISCUSSION OF THIS ISSUE POSTPONED FROM LAST TIME]
> 
> was completed (Guus and Frank): to move the issue forward and write 
> up 1-d and 2-d views to make
> clearer to users .
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2002Oct/0310.html
> 
> ACTION: Guus will write proposed wording changes for GUIDE and will 
> write a message proposing the official closing of this issue.
> 
> = Issue 4.3 - Structured Datatypes
> postponed to next week
> ACTION: Jeremy will have a closer look into the RDF documents about this issue
> 
> = Issue 5.17 - XML and UML presentation syntax
> Some feeling from WG that these should not be Notes, that they should 
> be non-normative appendices or otherwise included in our docs = Jon B 
> points out it is very useful to tell people there are XML and UML 
> version of our language in our docs.  Peter (?) suggests maybe these 
> can go in a single document.
> 
> chairs and team contact will think about how to proceed.
> 
> Remainder of issues postponed till next call.
> 
> AOB - none.
> Adjourned
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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