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Re: Minutes of July 25 Telecon

From: Leo Obrst <lobrst@mitre.org>
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2002 17:47:47 -0400
Message-ID: <3D407203.EA6B5D6B@mitre.org>
To: Deborah McGuinness <dlm@ksl.stanford.edu>
CC: W3C Web Ontology WG <www-webont-wg@w3.org>

Ok, I will update the minutes to reflect this and reissue.

Thanks!
Leo

Deborah McGuinness wrote:

> thanks for the minutes leo.
>
> Two action status lines are incorrect in your minutes.
>
> I reported in email yesterday and on the phone conversation today that the
> following are done (not continued as noted in the log).
>
> ACTION: Deb - add "property" to make sure we are using same terms.
> STATUS: DONE
>
> ACTION: Deb to make sure names are same between her document and Mike's.
> STATUS: DONE
>
> also just to report new actions:
> ACTION: Deb, Mike, Peter to reflect this change in their documents,
> prior to release.
>
> mike, peter, and I have all reported in email today (after the meeting) that we
> have done this item.
>
> deborah
>
> Leo Obrst wrote:
>
> > MINUTES OF JULY 25 TELECON
> >
> > Chair: Jim Hendler
> > Scribe: Leo Obrst (not on IRC)
> >
> > 1. ADMIN:
> >
> > 1.1) ROLL CALL
> >
> > Present:
> >
> > Buswell
> > Carroll
> > Connolly
> > De Roo
> > De Roure
> > Dean
> > Finin
> > Gibbins
> > Heflin
> > Hellman
> > Hendler
> > Klein
> > Marchiori
> > McGuinness
> > Obrst
> > Patel-Schneider
> > Michael Smith
> > Stanton
> > Stein
> > Thompson
> >
> > Regrets:
> >
> > Jonathan Dale
> > Larry Eshelman
> > Pat Hayes
> > Libby Miller
> > Marwan Sabbouh
> > Guus Schrieber
> > Evan Wallace
> > Chris Welty
> >
> > 1.2) ACTION ITEM REVIEW
> >
> > ACTION: DanC to raise an issue wrt rdfs:subclassof and
> > owl:subclassoff
> > STATUS: DONE
> >
> > ACTION: Connoly to get the OK'd for the OWL URI by the W3C
> > webmaster/director;
> > STATUS: DONE
> >
> > ACTION: Pat will attempt to take abstract syntax, and Peter's MT and
> > the mapping into RDF and will write a model theory in the Connolly
> > style (i.e. as an extension to RDF MT) and see if he can identify
> > the exact issues. Target deadline: three weeks (July 25). - change of
> > due date to Aug 1.
> > STATUS: CONTINUED
> >
> > ACTION: Guus will generate a structure in which the examples should
> > appear by July 11. Done
> >
> > This will also include one example.
> > Evan Wallace and Larry Eshelman: contribute examples
> > STATUS: CONTINUED
> >
> > ACTION: Evan will writeup a description of a recent OMG meeting that
> > concerned UML and OWL, and the process he is running at OMG, and
> > will post that to the WG.
> > STATUS: CONTINUED
> >
> > ACTION (all): send to WebOnt mailing list a short
> > description of the tools you have available.
> > or that you will use to help tools.
> > STATUS: WITHDRAWN
> >
> > ACTION (Raphael): will make a large ontology available to test
> > readers.
> > STATUS: CONTINUED.
> >
> > ACTION: Hendler produce test for issue 4.2
> > STATUS: CONTINUED
> >
> > ACTION: ChrisW to propose resolution of 3.4 and 4.1
> > STATUS: CONTINUED
> >
> > ACTION: connolly review abstract syntax
> > STATUS: DONE
> >
> > ACTION: chairs - find photo of face to face example from the
> > discussion of model theory.
> > STATUS: CONTINUED
> >
> > ACTION: Dan C. to work with Pat H to reconcile the issues of missing
> > discussion of model theory in the log
> > STATUS: CONTINUED
> >
> > ACTION: Jim H will set up a straw poll based on the offers - this
> > will include choices of Dec/Jan and place
> > STATUS: CONTINUED
> >
> > ACTION: Deb - add "property" to make sure we are using same terms.
> > STATUS: CONTINUED
> >
> > ACTION: Deb to make sure names are same between her document and Mike's.
> >
> > STATUS: CONTINUED
> >
> > ACTION: DanC to review Deb's final edits of feature document.
> > STATUS: CONTINUED
> >
> > ACTION: Mike will summarize changes in email to the list. (by next week)
> >
> > STATUS: CONTINUED
> >
> > ACTION: Peter - will review appendix C.
> > STATUS: DONE
> >
> > ACTION: JimH to draft press release - solicits input ASAP from WG
> > members.
> > STATUS: WITHDRAWN. Maybe around next f2f. W3C needs 1 month notice.
> >
> > 1.3) FACE TO FACE UPDATES:
> >
> >   f2f4  update (Jeremy)
> >

> > Jeremy will give updates about hotels, etc. in 2 weeks.
> > Web page: Dan will coordinate. F2F host will put up local web page.
> >
> > ACTION: Dan Connolly will set up F2F registering.
> > ACTION: Jeremy will put up a web page by next telecon.
> >
> >   f2f5 update  (REMEMBER BIDS DUE BY THURS.)
> >     Bids: U. Manchester
> >           US NY region (IBM)
> >           US DC region (DARPA/UMCP/UMBC - not confirmed)
> >           US FL region (U W. Fl)
> > NEW:      US WASH DC/Boston region (MITRE)
> >    straw poll to be held
> >     date: Mid Jan (poss late Dec)
> >
> > Lynn: if we have 4 choices equally, would like to have eastern US as one
> > choice.
> > ACTION: Lynn and Dan to get on phone for details of straw poll.
> > Jeremy: alternate between Europe and US?
> > Jim: Jan is looking better than Dec. Will put on straw poll.
> >
> > 2) DOCUMENT UPDATE:
> >   Status of three WDs
> >
> >    Features – Deb
> > Deb: Action from f2f, all other actions done, don’t want to drop section
> > 2 (per Peter’s request), did some other reorganization that Peter had
> > requested.
> > All edits are final.
> > Formatting status: not validated fully yet.
> > Dan is allowed to do edit markup.
> >
> >    Reference – Mike Dean
> > Mike: ready to publish. A few comments yet to address, no text for class
> > expressions. OWL link, examples. Latest RDF core decisions not yet made.
> >
> > Mike: will do final edits, will be done in next day or so. Cross-links
> > not yet done, and status.
> >
> >    Abst Syntax – Peter
> > Peter: No change since last Thurs. No IP policy yet for the WG (Dan will
> > do?) Any resolutions made today will be incorporated.
> > Dan: tomorrow is best guess for all 3 publications to be published.
> > ACTION: Dan will send mail to the WG when W3C publishes the documents.
> > ACTION: Jim will solicit reviews for appropriate working groups. By Aug.
> > 15
> >
> >     Process issues (if any) – Dan
> > Dan: has to point to patent disclosures, but since none yet, will point
> > to nothing, but make sure if you have a patent in the works, notify DAN.
> >
> > 3) PROPOSAL TO CLOSE ISSUES 3.4 AND 4.1
> >         (UniqueProperty and UnambiguousProperty)
> >       Welty
> >
> > Proposal:
> > OWL FunctionalProperty
> > OWL InverseFunctionalProperty
> >
> > Many: Welty’s proposal is good.
> > Jim: add 1-1 property?
> > Peter: later
> > Jim: straw poll: any objections? Mike: but can be 0-0 or 1-1.
> > Resolution: unanimous. Adopted Chris Welty’s proposal. So, will go with
> > what we have, not yet include 1-1.
> > STATUS: RESOLVED.
> >
> > See Chris Welty’s proposals:
> > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2002Jul/0170.html
> > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2002Jul/0169.html
> >
> > See Mike Smith’s Issues document:
> > http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/WebOnt/webont-issues.html#I3.4-UnambiguousProperty
> >
> > http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/WebOnt/webont-issues.html#I4.1-UniqueProp-BadName
> >
> > ACTION: Mike Smith will close this out.
> > Jim: someone has to do the TEST case.
> > ACTION: Jeremy to do TEST case.
> > ACTION: Deb, Mike, Peter to reflect this change in their documents,
> > prior to release.
> >
> > 4) PROPOSAL TO CLOSE ISSUE 2.4  (oneOf)
> >
> > Ian was invited to discuss this, but nothing much showed up yet.
> > Deb: he is still working on this.
> > Dan: cardinality and oneOf interaction test case? Has anyone else seen
> > this?
> > Jeremy: has seen some, look hairy.
> > Jim: no one has suggested we don’t have oneOf. Should we remove? It’s
> > currently heavily used.
> >
> > Straw Poll: No objections. No abstentions. PROPOSAL PASSES. Issue is
> > CLOSED.
> > STATUS: RESOLVED.
> >
> > ACTION: Jim to write up a test case.
> >
> > Should we have oneOf in OWL-Lite?
> > Jeremy: Feature vs. Issue driven test cases?
> > Dan: just use of oneOf. Entailment test.
> > Jeremy: test cases to be in a hierarchy structure? Prefer to see
> > feature-based test cases higher view.
> > Jim: today we are closing everything that could affect the 3 docs. Next
> > week, talk about next documents. August 15th: semantic issues. Probable
> > cancel of Aug. 8th.
> >
> > 5) PROPOSAL TO CLOSE ISSUE 4.6 (equivalentTo)
> >
> > Jim: email looks like other opinions. Is there a consensus?
> > Peter: 2 issues: 1) same individual as  (2 names denote same) implies
> > same class as and same property as (follows RDF view). Same property
> > does not denote same individual.
> > Dan: doesn’t affect the documents.
> > ACTION: Peter will send out longer note and people to reply. Peter: by
> > next week.
> > ACTION: Jim will REMOVE proposal to close issue.
> >
> > Class as instance discussion.
> > Peter: model theory has a weak view of class as instance.
> >
> > Property defined-by attached to class. Average price property?
> > First is not a property of the extension.
> > Jim: can we close 4.6 because it’s subsumed by this issue (classes as
> > instances). No, so just leave separate.
> >
> > 6) OPENING OF ISSUE 5.20 (SHOULD OWL PROVIDE SYNONYMS FOR RDF
> > AND RDFS OBJECTS?)
> >
> > Jim: opening this issue, discuss, get feedback, send to email.
> > Peter: nothing substantive; legalistic: D+O pulls into D+O namespace,
> > but RDF will not pull into the RDF/S namespace (but RDF/S does not have
> > capability).
> >
> > OWL:PROPERTY: same denotation? RDFS:PROPERTY? Not to have the former in
> > the OWL namespace when they’re both equivalent.
> > Issue: will RDF tool understand what OWL:PROPERTY is?
> >
> > Jim: at the last F2F, no resolution.
> > Namespace of the identifier should be the definitive identifier. If we
> > have a different model theory (different from RDF), then have a
> > different namespace (i.e., OWL namespace).
> > Do we need a separate model theory for OWL? Yes, for things not in the
> > other language. If we extend RDF/s, need to have a model theory for
> > this.
> > Much discussion.
> >
> > 7) AOB
> >    next telecon: Aug. 1
> >    next scribe: Mike Smith
> >
> > Aug. 8 meeting: cancelled.
> >
> > --
> > _____________________________________________
> > Dr. Leo Obrst  The MITRE Corporation
> > mailto:lobrst@mitre.org Intelligent Information Management/Exploitation
> > Voice: 703-883-6770 7515 Colshire Drive, M/S W640
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>
> --
>  Deborah L. McGuinness
>  Knowledge Systems Laboratory
>  Gates Computer Science Building, 2A Room 241
>  Stanford University, Stanford, CA 94305-9020
>  email: dlm@ksl.stanford.edu
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