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ADMIN: Minutes of telecon 11th July 2002

From: Jeremy Carroll <jjc@hplb.hpl.hp.com>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 17:18:33 +0100
To: "webont" <www-webont-wg@w3.org>
Message-ID: <JAEBJCLMIFLKLOJGMELDOEFPCEAA.jjc@hplb.hpl.hp.com>


Summary:

ACTIONS

ACTION jjc Make proposal for test case structure
ACTION Hendler produce test for issue 4.2
ACTION ChrisW to propose resolution of 3.4 and 4.1
ACTION Patel-Schneider find example illustratin computational difficulties in
having both datatypes and objects in integrated domain.
ACTION connolly point to use case for having datatypes and obejct property in
integrated domain
ACTION: hayes review abstract syntax
ACTION: connolly review abstract syntax
ACTION: ter Horst review abstract syntax

Reminder of Continued Action:

ACTION  (all): send to WebOnt mailing list a short description of the
tools you have available or that you will use to help tools.

DECISIONS

RESOLVED:
We will release the current documents, with OWL Lite, and have in the issue list
that we will revisit 5.2.

RESOLVED:
We close issue 4.2 accepting DAML solution with respect to the name cardinaility
minCardinality maxCardinality

RESOLVED:
Close 5.16 thus "- OWL Lite includes min/max cardinality restrictions of 0 and
1"



Log:    http://www.w3.org/2002/07/11-webont-irc
Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2002Jul/0046.html


Detail:


1) ADMIN

1.1) Roll call

present:
Jeremy Carroll
Dan Connolly
Nicholas Gibbins
Pat Hayes
Jeff Heflin
Ziv Hellman
Jim Hendler
Ruediger Klein
Massimo Marchiori
Libby Miller
Enrico Motta
Leo Obrst
Peter Patel-Schneider
Marwan Sabbouh
Guus Schreiber,
Michael Smith,
John Stanton
Lynn Andrea Stein
Herman ter Horst
Lynne R. Thompson
Christopher Welty



regrets:
Borden
Dale,
Dean
Eshelman,
Finin
Horrocks,
McGuinness,
de Roo,
van Harmelen,
Volz
Wallace


1.2) Minutes June 27 telecon
[[[
PROPOSED to accept the following as a true record:

Minutes by Jeremy Carroll
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2002Jul/0003.html:
Amendment: add Evan Wallace to regrets list
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2002Jul/0035.html
]]]
Chris Welty was present.

Minutes accepted with these corrections.



1.3) F2f meeting record
[[
Draft meeting record:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2002Jul/0038.html
]]
Postponed.


1.4) Agenda amendments
None.


1.5) Next meeting
[[
- 18 July, per regular schedule.
- scribe volunteer is solicited;
]]
Agreed; no volunteer,


2) ACTION ITEM REVIEW


2.1) Telecon actions

Following are done:

ACTION - Connolly: to arrange direct CVS access for Carroll
ACTION - Welty, Hayes, Hendler, Connolly to review updated requirements WD
ACTION - Hendler; Summarize discussion about "Formal Spec" to mailing list
ACTION - Heflin; e-mail list to indicate imminent publication of reqdoc


This action is continued:

ACTION - Heflin, Carroll, Borden, Volz to review XML Presentation Syntax
document
DONE by Volz

2,2) FTF actions

[For document-related actions, see agenda iten 4]


Following actions are done:

ACTION Mike Smith to edit walkthru, with help of Lynn Stein, Ora
Lassila, Deb McGuinness. Guus Schreiber to help with examples.
ACTION (Raphael) raise superissue to subsume equivalentTo

Following actions are continued:

ACTION DanC to raise an issue wrt rdfs:subclassof and owl:subclassoff

ACTION Connoly to get the OK'd for the OWL URI by the W3C
webmaster/director;

ACTION Pat will attempt to take abstract syntax, and Peter's MT and the
mapping into RDF and will write a model theory in the Connolly style
(i.e. as an extension to RDF MT) and see if he can identify the exact
issues. Target deadline: three weeks (July 25).

ACTION Guus will generate a structure in which the examples should
appear by July 11. This will also include one example.

ACTION Evan Wallace and Larry Eshelman: contribute examples

ACTION Evan will writeup a description of a recent OMG meeting that
concerned UML and OWL, and the process he is running at OMG, and will
post that to the WG.

ACTION (Deb) write up an issue with respect to the unique names
assumption requirement

ACTION  Jim will work with Mike Dean to see if DAML Validator can become
OWL validator

ACTION  (all): send to WebOnt mailing list a short description of the
tools you have available or that you will use to help tools.

ACTION  (Raphael): will make a large ontology available to test readers.


3) ISSUES (20-30 min)


3.1) Issues 4.2, 5.2, 5.15, 5.16


[[[
Proposal to CLOSE these four issues, all concerned with OWL Lite:

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2002Jul/0045.html
]]]
Hendler in chair for this issue.

Issue 5.2
---------
Much discussion.
Straw Poll: is there a named subset of OWL?
For:     8
Against: 3
Abstain: 9

Connolly can't live with a named subset, because cost is high.

RESOLVED:
We will release the current documents, with OWL Lite, and have in the issue list
that we will revisit 5.2.


Issue 4.2
---------
Discussion about f2f discussion.
RESOLVED:
We close issue 4.2 accepting DAML solution with respect to the name cardinaility
minCardinality maxCardinality

ABSTENTIONS: Connolly and Stein

ACTION jjc Make proposal for test case structure
ACTION Hendler produce test for issue 4.2

Issue 5.16
----------
RESOLVED:
Close 5.16 thus "- OWL Lite includes min/max cardinality restrictions of 0 and
1"
ABSTENTIONS: Heflin

3.2) Issue 3.4 UnambiguousProperty and 4.1 "UniqueProp is bad name"

[[[
http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/WebOnt/webont-issues.html#I3.4-UnambiguousProperty
http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/WebOnt/webont-issues.html#I4.1-UniqueProp-BadName

Main issue: appropriate names for UnambiguousProperty and UniqueProperty.
Suggestions, assignment of issue owners.
]]]
Discussion.
Chris Welty to own issue.
ACTION ChrisW to propose resolution of 3.4 and 4.1


3.3) Issues 5.3 & 5.10 (Patel-Schneidr, Connolly)
[[[
http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/WebOnt/webont-issues.html#I5.3-Semantic-Layering
http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/WebOnt/webont-issues.html#I5.10-DAML-OIL-semantics-is-
too-weak

Discussion/questions about similarities/differences between the tow
model theories

Model theory by PeterPS
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2002Jun/0082.html

Model theory by DanC
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-webont-wg/2002Jun/0208.html
]]]

Some discussion limited to the topic of having datatypes and objects both in a
single domain.

ACTION Patel-Schneider find example illustrating computational difficulties in
having both datatypes and objects in integrated domain.
ACTION connolly point to use case for having datatypes and obejct property in
integrated domain


4) DOCUMENTS (editors, 15 min)


4.1) OWL Features synopsis

Skipped.

4,2) OWL 1.0 Reference description (Dean et al.)

Skipped.

4.3) OWL 1.0 Abstract syntax (Horrocks, Patel-Schneider)

Almost skipped.
No substantive discussion.
ACTION: hayes review abstract syntax
ACTION: connolly review abstract syntax
ACTION: ter Horst review abstract syntax

5) A.O.B (0-5 min)

None.
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