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Re: Minutes for August 11 Telcon

From: Jonathan Rees <jar@creativecommons.org>
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 14:22:43 -0400
Message-ID: <CACHXnapxJ_WZ_Z6-54sn-h0WXhfQGEemFXJ2S3o0jdPtPvERSA@mail.gmail.com>
To: ashok.malhotra@oracle.com
Cc: "www-tag@w3.org" <www-tag@w3.org>
Thanks. I think you meant to say "are at
http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/08/11-minutes"

I took the liberty of editing the minutes file to hyperlink the
question "Don't we already have a security wiki?"
to the following:  http://www.w3.org/Security/wiki/Main_Page
I didn't have the link handy during the meeting but there it is.

The answer seems to be yes.

Jonathan

On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 1:52 PM, ashok malhotra
<ashok.malhotra@oracle.com> wrote:
> Minutes for August 11 Telcon are at Minutes for August 11 Telcon
> and in text below.
>
> [1]W3C
>
>      [1] http://www.w3.org/
>
>                               - DRAFT -
>
>                              TAG Weekly
>
> 11 Aug 2011
>
>   [2]Agenda
>
>      [2] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/08/11-agenda
>
>   See also: [3]IRC log
>
>      [3] http://www.w3.org/2011/08/11-tagmem-irc
>
> Attendees
>
>   Present
>          Jonathan_Rees, Peter_Linss, Ashok_Malhotra, Henry_Thompson,
>          Noah_Mendelsohn
>
>   Regrets
>          TimBl, Jeni_Tennison, Dan_Appelquist, Larry_Masinter
>
>   Chair
>          Noah Mendelsohn
>
>   Scribe
>          Ashok
>
> Contents
>
>     * [4]Topics
>         1. [5]Convene
>         2. [6]Administrative
>         3. [7]Planning for Sept. 2011 F2F
>         4. [8]Overdue Actions
>         5. [9]Telcons in August
>     * [10]Summary of Action Items
>     _________________________________________________________
>
>   <scribe>  scribe: Ashok
>
>   <scribe>  Scribenick: Ashok
>
> Convene
>
>   Approval of minutes
>
>   <noah>  14 July: [11]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/08/11-agenda
>
>     [11] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/08/11-agenda
>
>   Minutes appoved without objection
>
>   <noah>  12 July 2011:
>   [12]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/07/21-minutes
>
>     [12] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/07/21-minutes
>
>   Minutes appoved without objection
>
>   <noah>  4 August 2011:
>   [13]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/08/04-minutes
>
>     [13] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/08/04-minutes
>
>   Minutes appoved without objection
>
> Administrative
>
>   Discussion of f2f in Edinburgh
>
>   <noah>  HT: We can add other people to the hotel reservation. Contact
>   me if you want me to reserve for you.
>
>   <noah>  HT: If you can't reach Henry, contact Noah
>
> Planning for Sept. 2011 F2F
>
>   JAR: Manu will send mail re. microdata
>
> Overdue Actions
>
>   <noah>  Sorted by owner:
>   [14]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/overdue?sort=owne
>   r
>
>     [14] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/overdue?sort=owner
>
>   <noah>  ACTION-566?
>
>   <trackbot>  ACTION-566 -- Daniel Appelquist to contact Alissa Cooper,
>   organize a future joint discussion on privacy with IAB. -- due
>   2011-07-19 -- OPEN
>
>   <trackbot>  [15]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/566
>
>     [15] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/566
>
>   Noah: We should continue to liaise with IAB -- keep Thomas in loop
>
>   <noah>  NM: And Yves, of course
>
>   Noah: and PLH
>
>   <noah>  NM: Our liaisons are Thomas and Philippe
>
>   <noah>  YL: Yes
>
>   <noah>  NM: What to do about privacy at the Sept. F2F?
>
>   <noah>  AM: Noah, you had asked us to look at Do Not Track working
>   group charter.
>
>   <noah>  AM: I didn't manage to sync up with Dan
>
>   <noah>  NM: Product page shows Privacy Friendly Web (early draft of
>   report product page needed) Daniel Appelquist, Ashok Malhotra
>
>   <noah>  NM: No specific product page, but this:
>   [16]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/PrivacyFriendlyWeb.html
>
>     [16] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/PrivacyFriendlyWeb.html
>
>   <noah>  ACTION-583?
>
>   <trackbot>  ACTION-583 -- Ashok Malhotra to (with help from Dan)
>   organize TAG review of proposed W3C charter on tracking protection
>   (privacy) Due 2011-07-26 -- due 2011-07-21 -- OPEN
>
>   <trackbot>  [17]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/583
>
>     [17] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/583
>
>   <noah>  AM: Not sure what TAG can contribute now, given formation of
>   working group.
>
>   <noah>  NM: Working group is mostly scoped to Do Not Track?
>
>   <noah>  AM: Yes
>
>   <jar>  [18]http://www.w3.org/2011/07/privacy-ig-charter
>
>     [18] http://www.w3.org/2011/07/privacy-ig-charter
>
>   <noah>  AM: Larry had suggested a threat model, and from it derive
>   weaknesses. Maybe we're too late to do that.
>
>   <noah>  AM: Jonathan, that's the IG charter.
>
>   <jar>
>   [19]http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/charter-draft.html
>
>     [19] http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/charter-draft.html
>
>   Noah: The privacy-fiendly web does not have a product page
>   ... at the f2f we can have a short discussion of whether we should
>   do future work in this area
>
>   <noah>  NM: Propose at minimum a short F2F discussion of deciding
>   whether we have a "product" in the privacy area, and if so with what
>   scope goals, etc. If someone prepares a more detailed report, we
>   could review that.
>
>   HT: Registers modest amount of scepticism about this area
>
>   <noah>  HT: Worried about lack of TAG background and skill set.
>
>   <noah>  AM: Was about to agree with you. Not worth the time unless
>   someone steps up and says "think about thus and so...". Haven't
>   heard that.
>
>   JAR: Agrees with HT. I'm missing a framework.
>
>   Noah: We can explain to people the expectations they should have
>   when using the Web
>   ... we could make a contribution along those lines for privacy.
>
>   <jar>  You're talking about security, not privacy, Noah
>
>   Noah: Educate people about privacy on the Web
>
>   JAR: Framework will not come from us
>
>   <jar>  This group is not going to originate any high level ideas on
>   privacy
>
>   Noah: Should we spend half an hour on this?
>
>   jar: Only if someone has something to bring to the table
>
>   <noah>  NM: Scope of F2F, whether to keep working in this area.
>
>   Ashok: Half an hour at most
>
>   Noah: Discusses with HT re. Interaction for Web Apps
>
>   jar: Dan was going to work on it
>
>   <noah>  ACTION-341?
>
>   <trackbot>  ACTION-341 -- Yves Lafon to follow up with Thomas about
>   security review activities for HTML5 -- due 2011-05-10 -- OPEN
>
>   <trackbot>  [20]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/341
>
>     [20] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/341
>
>   Yves: I will check with Thomas
>
>   <noah>  also ACTION-516?
>
>   <trackbot>  ACTION-516 -- Yves Lafon to talk with Thomas Roessler
>   about organizing W3C architecture work on security -- due 2011-07-19
>   -- OPEN
>
>   <trackbot>  [21]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/516
>
>     [21] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/516
>
>   Yves: Charter being discussed
>
>   <noah>  NM: Do we want F2F discussion on security
>
>   <noah>  YL: Yes.
>
>   <noah>  NM: What scope
>
>   <noah>  ACTION-515?
>
>   <trackbot>  ACTION-515 -- Larry Masinter to (as trackbot proxy for
>   John) who will publish
>   [22]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/02/security-web.html, slightly
>   cleaned up, with help from Noah and Larry -- due 2011-07-30 -- OPEN
>
>     [22] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/02/security-web.html
>
>   <trackbot>  [23]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/515
>
>     [23] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/515
>
>   <noah>  AM: Discusion of security wiki
>
>   <jar>  Don't we already have a security wiki?
>
>   <jar>  Maybe it's just a cors/ump wiki.
>
>   <noah>  NM: Scope is, once again, what should the TAG do about
>   security
>
>   HT: Need someone to bring something to the table
>
>   <noah>  NM: So probably a security session, but with concern about
>   spinning wheels
>
>   <noah>  ACTION-554?
>
>   <trackbot>  ACTION-554 -- Noah Mendelsohn to formulate product page
>   for TAG work on security including John Kemp security draft Due:
>   2011-05-24 -- due 2011-08-16 -- OPEN
>
>   <trackbot>  [24]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/554
>
>     [24] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/554
>
>   <noah>  Email from Tobias Gondrum:
>   [25]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2011Aug/0026.html
>
>     [25] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2011Aug/0026.html
>
>   <noah>  AM: He is chair of one of the working groups
>
>   <noah>  ACTION-572?
>
>   <trackbot>  ACTION-572 -- Yves Lafon to look at appcache in HTML5 --
>   due 2011-07-29 -- OPEN
>
>   <trackbot>  [26]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/572
>
>     [26] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/572
>
>   Yves: keep open so we can discuss
>
>   <noah>  ACTION-572 PENDING REVIEW
>
>   Noah: Suggest we wait for Dan ... pending review ... not worth f2f
>   time
>
>   <noah>  ACTION-519?
>
>   <trackbot>  ACTION-519 -- Peter Linss to frame architectural
>   opportunities relating to scalability of resource access -- due
>   2011-08-02 -- OPEN
>
>   <trackbot>  [27]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/519
>
>     [27] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/519
>
>   Peter: I have not had time to work on this
>
>   <noah>  ACTION-519 Due: 2011-10-18
>
>   Noah: Should we pick a date like mid-October ... how about Oct 18?
>
>   <noah>  ACTION-519 Due 2011-10-18
>
>   <trackbot>  ACTION-519 Frame architectural opportunities relating to
>   scalability of resource access due date now 2011-10-18
>
>   <noah>  ACTION-583?
>
>   <trackbot>  ACTION-583 -- Ashok Malhotra to (with help from Dan)
>   organize TAG review of proposed W3C charter on tracking protection
>   (privacy) Due 2011-07-26 -- due 2011-07-21 -- OPEN
>
>   <trackbot>  [28]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/583
>
>     [28] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/583
>
>   <noah>  ACTION-523?
>
>   <trackbot>  ACTION-523 -- Ashok Malhotra to (with help from Noah)
>   build good product page for client storage finding, identifying top
>   questions to be answered on client side storage -- due 2011-04-05 --
>   OPEN
>
>   <trackbot>  [29]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/523
>
>     [29] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/523
>
>   <noah>  AM: Should we close ACTION-583, given that charter is out
>   now?
>
>   <noah>  NM: Why not comment now if there are problems?
>
>   <noah>  AM: OK, I sent email to Dan, I can let the rest of you take a
>   look
>
>   <noah>  NM: Please let me know if you think this should be part of
>   F2F discussion.
>
>   <noah>  ACTION-583 Due 2011-08-30
>
>   <trackbot>  ACTION-583 (with help from Dan) organize TAG review of
>   proposed W3C charter on tracking protection (privacy) Due 2011-07-26
>   due date now 2011-08-30
>
>   <noah>  ACTION-523?
>
>   <trackbot>  ACTION-523 -- Ashok Malhotra to (with help from Noah)
>   build good product page for client storage finding, identifying top
>   questions to be answered on client side storage -- due 2011-04-05 --
>   OPEN
>
>   <trackbot>  [30]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/523
>
>     [30] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/523
>
>   <noah>  AM: I think we should wait on this, discuss briefly at the
>   F2F. Discuss where we're going.
>
>   <noah>  NM: If we're going to have F2F discussion, I'd like a draft
>   product page as input
>
>   <noah>  AM: I'm actually having trouble figuring out what matters
>   here.
>
>   <noah>  NM: OK, then maybe we do need technical discussion
>
>   <noah>  ACTION-523?
>
>   <trackbot>  ACTION-523 -- Ashok Malhotra to (with help from Noah)
>   build good product page for client storage finding, identifying top
>   questions to be answered on client side storage -- due 2011-04-05 --
>   OPEN
>
>   <trackbot>  [31]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/523
>
>     [31] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/523
>
>   <noah>  ACTION-523 Due 2011-08-30
>
>   <trackbot>  ACTION-523 (with help from Noah) build good product page
>   for client storage finding, identifying top questions to be answered
>   on client side storage due date now 2011-08-30
>
>   <noah>  ACTION-574?
>
>   <trackbot>  ACTION-574 -- Ashok Malhotra to review
>   [32]http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hammer-hostmeta/?include_t
>   ext=1 in preparation for TAG review Due 2011-07-12 -- due 2011-06-30
>   -- OPEN
>
>     [32]
> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hammer-hostmeta/?include_text=1
>
>   <trackbot>  [33]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/574
>
>     [33] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/574
>
>   <noah>  AM: Jonathan and I took a look, turned out we didn't have a
>   lot to say. I think spec is mature. We should close the action.
>   Jonathan?
>
>   <noah>  JAR: Not swapped in.
>
>   <noah>  JAR: Ah, host meta.
>
>   <noah>  JAR: Long ago, Sandro raised question of XML vs. RDF. I don't
>   feel that strongly.
>
>   <noah>  JAR: Does relate to work on definition discovery.
>
>   <noah>  NM: Close the action, as Ashok suggests?
>
>   <noah>  JAR: Yes, without implying feedback pro or con
>
>   <noah>  close ACTION-574
>
>   <trackbot>  ACTION-574 Review
>   [34]http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hammer-hostmeta/?include_t
>   ext=1 in preparation for TAG review Due 2011-07-12 closed
>
>     [34]
> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hammer-hostmeta/?include_text=1
>
>   <noah>  ACTION-472?
>
>   <trackbot>  ACTION-472 -- Larry Masinter to update the mime-draft
>   based on comments&  review -- due 2011-07-30 -- OPEN
>
>   <trackbot>  [35]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/472
>
>     [35] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/472
>
>   <noah>  NM: Do we know if he wants to ramp down TAG's part of the
>   work?
>
>   <noah>  JAR: My impression is he wants discussion, if only to figure
>   next steps.
>
>   <noah>  NM: Note product page
>   [36]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/mimeweb.html is high
>   priority. So we at least need to explicitly declare success/failure,
>   etc.
>
>     [36] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/mimeweb.html
>
>   <noah>  NM: We WILL discuss at F2F
>
>   <noah>  ACTION-531?
>
>   <trackbot>  ACTION-531 -- Larry Masinter to draft document on
>   architectural good practice relating to registries -- due 2011-07-30
>   -- OPEN
>
>   <trackbot>  [37]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/531
>
>     [37] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/531
>
>   <noah>  NM: Same answer?
>
>   <noah>  JAR: Yes.
>
>   <noah>  ACTION-509?
>
>   <trackbot>  ACTION-509 -- Jonathan Rees to communicate with RDFa WG
>   regarding documenting the fragid / media type issue -- due
>   2011-06-15 -- OPEN
>
>   <trackbot>  [38]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/509
>
>     [38] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/509
>
>   jar: My recommendation is to remove the words "at present"
>
>   <jar>
>   [39]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2011Jun/0113.html
>
>     [39] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2011Jun/0113.html
>
>   <noah>   From their draft:
>
>   <noah>  "In some of the examples below we have used IRIs with
>   fragment identifiers that are local to the document containing the
>   RDFa fragment identifiers shown (e.g., 'about="#me"'). This idiom,
>   which is also used in RDF/XML [RDF-SYNTAX-GRAMMAR] and other RDF
>   serializations, gives a simple way to 'mint' new IRIs for entities
>   described by RDFa and therefore contributes considerably to the
>   expressive power of RDFa. Unfortunately, this practice is not at
>   present cover
>
>   jar: I suggested 4 options
>
>   <noah>  HT: Fussing with the wording before settling the
>   architectural issue isn't necessarily the best course. Not that I
>   will necessarily understand the architectural issue, and I have
>   taken some responsibility for moving on the larger cluster of
>   fragid-related issues.
>
>   Noah: shall we bump the due date and cross-reference with other
>   frag-id issue
>
>   HT: Cross-reference with product page
>
>   <noah>  NM: The ACTION is on the fragid product page. Bump the date
>   and move on?
>
>   HT: We should discuss at f2f
>
>   <noah>  ACTION-509 Due 2011-09-15
>
>   <trackbot>  ACTION-509 Communicate with RDFa WG regarding documenting
>   the fragid / media type issue due date now 2011-09-15
>
>   <noah>  ACTION-478?
>
>   <trackbot>  ACTION-478 -- Jonathan Rees to prepare a second draft of
>   a finding on persistence of references, to be based on decision tree
>   from Oct. 2010 F2F -- due 2011-08-09 -- OPEN
>
>   <trackbot>  [40]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/478
>
>     [40] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/478
>
>   <jar>  for the record jar favors (b) remove "at present" - it's a
>   hedge, and has the virtue of removing the implicit promise of future
>   work
>
>   <noah>  JAR: Still intend to work on ACTION-478
>
>   <noah>  Jonathan, will you just let me know later whether you favor a
>   F2F slot?
>
>   Noah: We don't have a product page for this
>
>   <noah>  NM: Worth doing product page now?
>
>   <noah>  NM: Could clarify what we're about.
>
>   <noah>  JAR: Could do at the F2F
>
>   Noah: should we think about that or just continue with technical
>   work
>
>   <noah>  ACTION-576?
>
>   <trackbot>  ACTION-576 -- Jonathan Rees to with help from Henry to
>   figure out impact of RDFa core on generic fragids story, especially
>   in 3023bis Due 2011-7-12 -- due 2011-06-30 -- OPEN
>
>   <trackbot>  [41]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/576
>
>     [41] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/576
>
>   <noah>  ACTION-541?
>
>   <trackbot>  ACTION-541 -- Jeni Tennison to helped by DKA to produce a
>   first draft of terminology about (deep-)linking etc. -- due
>   2011-07-26 -- OPEN
>
>   <trackbot>  [42]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/541
>
>     [42] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/541
>
>   <noah>  Noah to find Jeni and/or Dan to figure out whether ACTION-541
>   needs time at the F2F
>
>   <noah>  HT: We need to do something that gets into the public media
>
>   Noah: Something that gets published
>
>   <noah>  Note, that we have a June 2012 target for a W3C Proposed
>   Recommendation. Does that work?
>
>   HT: Educate people about linking
>
>   Noah: For the media we need something pithy
>
>   <noah>
>   [43]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/overdue?sort=owne
>   r
>
>     [43] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/overdue?sort=owner
>
>   <noah>  ACTION-560?
>
>   <trackbot>  ACTION-560 -- Henry Thompson to review HTML polyglot last
>   call Due 2011-06-06 -- due 2011-06-02 -- OPEN
>
>   <trackbot>  [44]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/560
>
>     [44] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/560
>
>   <noah>  ACTION-528?
>
>   <trackbot>  ACTION-528 -- Henry Thompson to create and get consensus
>   on a product page and tracker product page for persistence of names
>   -- due 2011-08-10 -- OPEN
>
>   <trackbot>  [45]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/528
>
>     [45] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/528
>
>   <noah>  HT: We've talked about 528
>
>   <noah>  HT: Aside from things already (fragids and persistence of
>   domains) nothing for me at the F2F
>
>   HT: Nothing that else will come up at f2f ... we have discussed
>   frag-ids and persistence of identifiers
>
>   Ashok: I will work on Client-Side state draft
>
> Telcons in August
>
>   HT: Cannot do telcon next week
>
>   Noah: I will send mail re. future telcons
>
> Summary of Action Items
>
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> All the best, Ashok
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