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Re: Minutes for August 11 Telcon

From: ashok malhotra <ashok.malhotra@oracle.com>
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 11:08:40 -0700
Message-ID: <4E46BDA8.8050001@oracle.com>
To: www-tag@w3.org
I meant to say that the minutes of the TAG August 11 Telcon are at
http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/08/11-minutes.html
and in text below.
All the best, Ashok

On 8/13/2011 10:52 AM, ashok malhotra wrote:
> Minutes for August 11 Telcon are at Minutes for August 11 Telcon
> and in text below.
>
> [1]W3C
>
>       [1] http://www.w3.org/
>
>                                - DRAFT -
>
>                               TAG Weekly
>
> 11 Aug 2011
>
>    [2]Agenda
>
>       [2] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/08/11-agenda
>
>    See also: [3]IRC log
>
>       [3] http://www.w3.org/2011/08/11-tagmem-irc
>
> Attendees
>
>    Present
>           Jonathan_Rees, Peter_Linss, Ashok_Malhotra, Henry_Thompson,
>           Noah_Mendelsohn
>
>    Regrets
>           TimBl, Jeni_Tennison, Dan_Appelquist, Larry_Masinter
>
>    Chair
>           Noah Mendelsohn
>
>    Scribe
>           Ashok
>
> Contents
>
>      * [4]Topics
>          1. [5]Convene
>          2. [6]Administrative
>          3. [7]Planning for Sept. 2011 F2F
>          4. [8]Overdue Actions
>          5. [9]Telcons in August
>      * [10]Summary of Action Items
>      _________________________________________________________
>
> <scribe>  scribe: Ashok
>
> <scribe>  Scribenick: Ashok
>
> Convene
>
>    Approval of minutes
>
> <noah>  14 July: [11]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/08/11-agenda
>
>      [11] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/08/11-agenda
>
>    Minutes appoved without objection
>
> <noah>  12 July 2011:
>    [12]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/07/21-minutes
>
>      [12] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/07/21-minutes
>
>    Minutes appoved without objection
>
> <noah>  4 August 2011:
>    [13]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/08/04-minutes
>
>      [13] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/08/04-minutes
>
>    Minutes appoved without objection
>
> Administrative
>
>    Discussion of f2f in Edinburgh
>
> <noah>  HT: We can add other people to the hotel reservation. Contact
>    me if you want me to reserve for you.
>
> <noah>  HT: If you can't reach Henry, contact Noah
>
> Planning for Sept. 2011 F2F
>
>    JAR: Manu will send mail re. microdata
>
> Overdue Actions
>
> <noah>  Sorted by owner:
>    [14]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/overdue?sort=owne
>    r
>
>      [14] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/overdue?sort=owner
>
> <noah>  ACTION-566?
>
> <trackbot>  ACTION-566 -- Daniel Appelquist to contact Alissa Cooper,
>    organize a future joint discussion on privacy with IAB. -- due
>    2011-07-19 -- OPEN
>
> <trackbot>  [15]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/566
>
>      [15] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/566
>
>    Noah: We should continue to liaise with IAB -- keep Thomas in loop
>
> <noah>  NM: And Yves, of course
>
>    Noah: and PLH
>
> <noah>  NM: Our liaisons are Thomas and Philippe
>
> <noah>  YL: Yes
>
> <noah>  NM: What to do about privacy at the Sept. F2F?
>
> <noah>  AM: Noah, you had asked us to look at Do Not Track working
>    group charter.
>
> <noah>  AM: I didn't manage to sync up with Dan
>
> <noah>  NM: Product page shows Privacy Friendly Web (early draft of
>    report product page needed) Daniel Appelquist, Ashok Malhotra
>
> <noah>  NM: No specific product page, but this:
>    [16]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/PrivacyFriendlyWeb.html
>
>      [16] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/PrivacyFriendlyWeb.html
>
> <noah>  ACTION-583?
>
> <trackbot>  ACTION-583 -- Ashok Malhotra to (with help from Dan)
>    organize TAG review of proposed W3C charter on tracking protection
>    (privacy) Due 2011-07-26 -- due 2011-07-21 -- OPEN
>
> <trackbot>  [17]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/583
>
>      [17] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/583
>
> <noah>  AM: Not sure what TAG can contribute now, given formation of
>    working group.
>
> <noah>  NM: Working group is mostly scoped to Do Not Track?
>
> <noah>  AM: Yes
>
> <jar>  [18]http://www.w3.org/2011/07/privacy-ig-charter
>
>      [18] http://www.w3.org/2011/07/privacy-ig-charter
>
> <noah>  AM: Larry had suggested a threat model, and from it derive
>    weaknesses. Maybe we're too late to do that.
>
> <noah>  AM: Jonathan, that's the IG charter.
>
> <jar>
>    [19]http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/charter-draft.html
>
>      [19] http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/charter-draft.html
>
>    Noah: The privacy-fiendly web does not have a product page
>    ... at the f2f we can have a short discussion of whether we should
>    do future work in this area
>
> <noah>  NM: Propose at minimum a short F2F discussion of deciding
>    whether we have a "product" in the privacy area, and if so with what
>    scope goals, etc. If someone prepares a more detailed report, we
>    could review that.
>
>    HT: Registers modest amount of scepticism about this area
>
> <noah>  HT: Worried about lack of TAG background and skill set.
>
> <noah>  AM: Was about to agree with you. Not worth the time unless
>    someone steps up and says "think about thus and so...". Haven't
>    heard that.
>
>    JAR: Agrees with HT. I'm missing a framework.
>
>    Noah: We can explain to people the expectations they should have
>    when using the Web
>    ... we could make a contribution along those lines for privacy.
>
> <jar>  You're talking about security, not privacy, Noah
>
>    Noah: Educate people about privacy on the Web
>
>    JAR: Framework will not come from us
>
> <jar>  This group is not going to originate any high level ideas on
>    privacy
>
>    Noah: Should we spend half an hour on this?
>
>    jar: Only if someone has something to bring to the table
>
> <noah>  NM: Scope of F2F, whether to keep working in this area.
>
>    Ashok: Half an hour at most
>
>    Noah: Discusses with HT re. Interaction for Web Apps
>
>    jar: Dan was going to work on it
>
> <noah>  ACTION-341?
>
> <trackbot>  ACTION-341 -- Yves Lafon to follow up with Thomas about
>    security review activities for HTML5 -- due 2011-05-10 -- OPEN
>
> <trackbot>  [20]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/341
>
>      [20] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/341
>
>    Yves: I will check with Thomas
>
> <noah>  also ACTION-516?
>
> <trackbot>  ACTION-516 -- Yves Lafon to talk with Thomas Roessler
>    about organizing W3C architecture work on security -- due 2011-07-19
>    -- OPEN
>
> <trackbot>  [21]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/516
>
>      [21] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/516
>
>    Yves: Charter being discussed
>
> <noah>  NM: Do we want F2F discussion on security
>
> <noah>  YL: Yes.
>
> <noah>  NM: What scope
>
> <noah>  ACTION-515?
>
> <trackbot>  ACTION-515 -- Larry Masinter to (as trackbot proxy for
>    John) who will publish
>    [22]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/02/security-web.html, slightly
>    cleaned up, with help from Noah and Larry -- due 2011-07-30 -- OPEN
>
>      [22] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2011/02/security-web.html
>
> <trackbot>  [23]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/515
>
>      [23] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/515
>
> <noah>  AM: Discusion of security wiki
>
> <jar>  Don't we already have a security wiki?
>
> <jar>  Maybe it's just a cors/ump wiki.
>
> <noah>  NM: Scope is, once again, what should the TAG do about
>    security
>
>    HT: Need someone to bring something to the table
>
> <noah>  NM: So probably a security session, but with concern about
>    spinning wheels
>
> <noah>  ACTION-554?
>
> <trackbot>  ACTION-554 -- Noah Mendelsohn to formulate product page
>    for TAG work on security including John Kemp security draft Due:
>    2011-05-24 -- due 2011-08-16 -- OPEN
>
> <trackbot>  [24]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/554
>
>      [24] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/554
>
> <noah>  Email from Tobias Gondrum:
>    [25]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2011Aug/0026.html
>
>      [25] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2011Aug/0026.html
>
> <noah>  AM: He is chair of one of the working groups
>
> <noah>  ACTION-572?
>
> <trackbot>  ACTION-572 -- Yves Lafon to look at appcache in HTML5 --
>    due 2011-07-29 -- OPEN
>
> <trackbot>  [26]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/572
>
>      [26] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/572
>
>    Yves: keep open so we can discuss
>
> <noah>  ACTION-572 PENDING REVIEW
>
>    Noah: Suggest we wait for Dan ... pending review ... not worth f2f
>    time
>
> <noah>  ACTION-519?
>
> <trackbot>  ACTION-519 -- Peter Linss to frame architectural
>    opportunities relating to scalability of resource access -- due
>    2011-08-02 -- OPEN
>
> <trackbot>  [27]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/519
>
>      [27] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/519
>
>    Peter: I have not had time to work on this
>
> <noah>  ACTION-519 Due: 2011-10-18
>
>    Noah: Should we pick a date like mid-October ... how about Oct 18?
>
> <noah>  ACTION-519 Due 2011-10-18
>
> <trackbot>  ACTION-519 Frame architectural opportunities relating to
>    scalability of resource access due date now 2011-10-18
>
> <noah>  ACTION-583?
>
> <trackbot>  ACTION-583 -- Ashok Malhotra to (with help from Dan)
>    organize TAG review of proposed W3C charter on tracking protection
>    (privacy) Due 2011-07-26 -- due 2011-07-21 -- OPEN
>
> <trackbot>  [28]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/583
>
>      [28] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/583
>
> <noah>  ACTION-523?
>
> <trackbot>  ACTION-523 -- Ashok Malhotra to (with help from Noah)
>    build good product page for client storage finding, identifying top
>    questions to be answered on client side storage -- due 2011-04-05 --
>    OPEN
>
> <trackbot>  [29]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/523
>
>      [29] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/523
>
> <noah>  AM: Should we close ACTION-583, given that charter is out
>    now?
>
> <noah>  NM: Why not comment now if there are problems?
>
> <noah>  AM: OK, I sent email to Dan, I can let the rest of you take a
>    look
>
> <noah>  NM: Please let me know if you think this should be part of
>    F2F discussion.
>
> <noah>  ACTION-583 Due 2011-08-30
>
> <trackbot>  ACTION-583 (with help from Dan) organize TAG review of
>    proposed W3C charter on tracking protection (privacy) Due 2011-07-26
>    due date now 2011-08-30
>
> <noah>  ACTION-523?
>
> <trackbot>  ACTION-523 -- Ashok Malhotra to (with help from Noah)
>    build good product page for client storage finding, identifying top
>    questions to be answered on client side storage -- due 2011-04-05 --
>    OPEN
>
> <trackbot>  [30]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/523
>
>      [30] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/523
>
> <noah>  AM: I think we should wait on this, discuss briefly at the
>    F2F. Discuss where we're going.
>
> <noah>  NM: If we're going to have F2F discussion, I'd like a draft
>    product page as input
>
> <noah>  AM: I'm actually having trouble figuring out what matters
>    here.
>
> <noah>  NM: OK, then maybe we do need technical discussion
>
> <noah>  ACTION-523?
>
> <trackbot>  ACTION-523 -- Ashok Malhotra to (with help from Noah)
>    build good product page for client storage finding, identifying top
>    questions to be answered on client side storage -- due 2011-04-05 --
>    OPEN
>
> <trackbot>  [31]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/523
>
>      [31] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/523
>
> <noah>  ACTION-523 Due 2011-08-30
>
> <trackbot>  ACTION-523 (with help from Noah) build good product page
>    for client storage finding, identifying top questions to be answered
>    on client side storage due date now 2011-08-30
>
> <noah>  ACTION-574?
>
> <trackbot>  ACTION-574 -- Ashok Malhotra to review
>    [32]http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hammer-hostmeta/?include_t
>    ext=1 in preparation for TAG review Due 2011-07-12 -- due 2011-06-30
>    -- OPEN
>
>      [32] http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hammer-hostmeta/?include_text=1
>
> <trackbot>  [33]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/574
>
>      [33] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/574
>
> <noah>  AM: Jonathan and I took a look, turned out we didn't have a
>    lot to say. I think spec is mature. We should close the action.
>    Jonathan?
>
> <noah>  JAR: Not swapped in.
>
> <noah>  JAR: Ah, host meta.
>
> <noah>  JAR: Long ago, Sandro raised question of XML vs. RDF. I don't
>    feel that strongly.
>
> <noah>  JAR: Does relate to work on definition discovery.
>
> <noah>  NM: Close the action, as Ashok suggests?
>
> <noah>  JAR: Yes, without implying feedback pro or con
>
> <noah>  close ACTION-574
>
> <trackbot>  ACTION-574 Review
>    [34]http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hammer-hostmeta/?include_t
>    ext=1 in preparation for TAG review Due 2011-07-12 closed
>
>      [34] http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hammer-hostmeta/?include_text=1
>
> <noah>  ACTION-472?
>
> <trackbot>  ACTION-472 -- Larry Masinter to update the mime-draft
>    based on comments&  review -- due 2011-07-30 -- OPEN
>
> <trackbot>  [35]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/472
>
>      [35] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/472
>
> <noah>  NM: Do we know if he wants to ramp down TAG's part of the
>    work?
>
> <noah>  JAR: My impression is he wants discussion, if only to figure
>    next steps.
>
> <noah>  NM: Note product page
>    [36]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/mimeweb.html is high
>    priority. So we at least need to explicitly declare success/failure,
>    etc.
>
>      [36] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/mimeweb.html
>
> <noah>  NM: We WILL discuss at F2F
>
> <noah>  ACTION-531?
>
> <trackbot>  ACTION-531 -- Larry Masinter to draft document on
>    architectural good practice relating to registries -- due 2011-07-30
>    -- OPEN
>
> <trackbot>  [37]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/531
>
>      [37] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/531
>
> <noah>  NM: Same answer?
>
> <noah>  JAR: Yes.
>
> <noah>  ACTION-509?
>
> <trackbot>  ACTION-509 -- Jonathan Rees to communicate with RDFa WG
>    regarding documenting the fragid / media type issue -- due
>    2011-06-15 -- OPEN
>
> <trackbot>  [38]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/509
>
>      [38] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/509
>
>    jar: My recommendation is to remove the words "at present"
>
> <jar>
>    [39]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2011Jun/0113.html
>
>      [39] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2011Jun/0113.html
>
> <noah>   From their draft:
>
> <noah>  "In some of the examples below we have used IRIs with
>    fragment identifiers that are local to the document containing the
>    RDFa fragment identifiers shown (e.g., 'about="#me"'). This idiom,
>    which is also used in RDF/XML [RDF-SYNTAX-GRAMMAR] and other RDF
>    serializations, gives a simple way to 'mint' new IRIs for entities
>    described by RDFa and therefore contributes considerably to the
>    expressive power of RDFa. Unfortunately, this practice is not at
>    present cover
>
>    jar: I suggested 4 options
>
> <noah>  HT: Fussing with the wording before settling the
>    architectural issue isn't necessarily the best course. Not that I
>    will necessarily understand the architectural issue, and I have
>    taken some responsibility for moving on the larger cluster of
>    fragid-related issues.
>
>    Noah: shall we bump the due date and cross-reference with other
>    frag-id issue
>
>    HT: Cross-reference with product page
>
> <noah>  NM: The ACTION is on the fragid product page. Bump the date
>    and move on?
>
>    HT: We should discuss at f2f
>
> <noah>  ACTION-509 Due 2011-09-15
>
> <trackbot>  ACTION-509 Communicate with RDFa WG regarding documenting
>    the fragid / media type issue due date now 2011-09-15
>
> <noah>  ACTION-478?
>
> <trackbot>  ACTION-478 -- Jonathan Rees to prepare a second draft of
>    a finding on persistence of references, to be based on decision tree
>    from Oct. 2010 F2F -- due 2011-08-09 -- OPEN
>
> <trackbot>  [40]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/478
>
>      [40] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/478
>
> <jar>  for the record jar favors (b) remove "at present" - it's a
>    hedge, and has the virtue of removing the implicit promise of future
>    work
>
> <noah>  JAR: Still intend to work on ACTION-478
>
> <noah>  Jonathan, will you just let me know later whether you favor a
>    F2F slot?
>
>    Noah: We don't have a product page for this
>
> <noah>  NM: Worth doing product page now?
>
> <noah>  NM: Could clarify what we're about.
>
> <noah>  JAR: Could do at the F2F
>
>    Noah: should we think about that or just continue with technical
>    work
>
> <noah>  ACTION-576?
>
> <trackbot>  ACTION-576 -- Jonathan Rees to with help from Henry to
>    figure out impact of RDFa core on generic fragids story, especially
>    in 3023bis Due 2011-7-12 -- due 2011-06-30 -- OPEN
>
> <trackbot>  [41]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/576
>
>      [41] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/576
>
> <noah>  ACTION-541?
>
> <trackbot>  ACTION-541 -- Jeni Tennison to helped by DKA to produce a
>    first draft of terminology about (deep-)linking etc. -- due
>    2011-07-26 -- OPEN
>
> <trackbot>  [42]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/541
>
>      [42] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/541
>
> <noah>  Noah to find Jeni and/or Dan to figure out whether ACTION-541
>    needs time at the F2F
>
> <noah>  HT: We need to do something that gets into the public media
>
>    Noah: Something that gets published
>
> <noah>  Note, that we have a June 2012 target for a W3C Proposed
>    Recommendation. Does that work?
>
>    HT: Educate people about linking
>
>    Noah: For the media we need something pithy
>
> <noah>
>    [43]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/overdue?sort=owne
>    r
>
>      [43] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/overdue?sort=owner
>
> <noah>  ACTION-560?
>
> <trackbot>  ACTION-560 -- Henry Thompson to review HTML polyglot last
>    call Due 2011-06-06 -- due 2011-06-02 -- OPEN
>
> <trackbot>  [44]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/560
>
>      [44] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/560
>
> <noah>  ACTION-528?
>
> <trackbot>  ACTION-528 -- Henry Thompson to create and get consensus
>    on a product page and tracker product page for persistence of names
>    -- due 2011-08-10 -- OPEN
>
> <trackbot>  [45]http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/528
>
>      [45] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/528
>
> <noah>  HT: We've talked about 528
>
> <noah>  HT: Aside from things already (fragids and persistence of
>    domains) nothing for me at the F2F
>
>    HT: Nothing that else will come up at f2f ... we have discussed
>    frag-ids and persistence of identifiers
>
>    Ashok: I will work on Client-Side state draft
>
> Telcons in August
>
>    HT: Cannot do telcon next week
>
>    Noah: I will send mail re. future telcons
>
> Summary of Action Items
>
>    [End of minutes]
>
>
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