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[Agenda] 27 Oct 2003 TAG teleconf (XML Versioning, meeting planning, action review)

From: Ian B. Jacobs <ij@w3.org>
Date: 23 Oct 2003 19:26:55 -0400
To: www-tag@w3.org
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The agenda of the TAG's 27 Oct 2003 teleconf is
available as HTML [1] and as text below.

 - Ian

[1] http://www.w3.org/2003/10/27-tag.html


                 Agenda of 27 October 2003 TAG teleconference

   Nearby: [4]Teleconference details  [5]issues list ([6]handling new
   issues) [7]www-tag archive

      [4] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/#remote
      [5] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/ilist
      [6] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2003Jul/0054.html
      [7] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/

   Note: The Chair does not expect the agenda to change after close of
   business (Boston time) Thursday of this week.

1. Administrative (15min)

    1. Welcome, Roll call. Regrets: TB, IJ. PC at risk
    2. Accept the minutes of the [8]20 Oct teleconference?
    3. Accept this [9]agenda?
    4. Next meeting: 3 Nov 2003 teleconference

      [8] http://www.w3.org/2003/10/20-tag-summary.html
      [9] http://www.w3.org/2003/10/27-tag.html

   Upcoming meeting topics:
     * 27 Oct:
          + Draft finding from NW and DO: [10]Versioning XML Languages,
            18 Sep draft. What to include in arch doc?
          + Discuss AC meeting presentation
     * 10 Nov: Last meeting to review Arch Doc with possibility of action

     [10] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/versioning

  1.1 TAG update at Nov 2003 AC meeting.

    1. Action DO, CL 2003/10/20: Produce draft slides for AC
       presentation; for discussion at 27 Oct teleconference.

  1.2 TAG Nov face-to-face meeting agenda

2. Technical (75min)

    1. Review of 3023-related actions
    2. Review of Architecture Document writing assignments
    3. XML Versioning

  2.1 Review of 3023-related actions

          Actions 2003/10/08:
          - NW to liaise with Paul Grosso and the XML Core WG
          - TBL and DC to liaise with the IETF regarding obsoleting RFC
          - TB to talk to authors of 3023 about inclusion as appendix in
          xml 1.1.
          - TBL and DC will talk to the Architecture Domain Lead.
          Action CL 2003/10/20: Draft update to 3023 for review by the
          TAG (on www-tag).

  2.2 Review of Architecture Document writing assignments

   Latest draft is the [11]1 Oct 2003 WD of the Arch Doc.

     [11] http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/WD-webarch-20031001/


         1. Completed action TB 2003/10/08: Write up a paragraph for
            section 3 on syntax-based interoperability. ([12]done). See
            also [13]comments from Mike Champion
         2. Completed action TB 2003/10/08: Write a paragraph of
            rationale for why error handling good in the context of the
            Web. ([14]done)
         3. Completed action TB 2003/10/08: Propose a revised paragraph
            to replace the "Furthermore" sentence in section 2.3

     [12] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2003Oct/0036.html
     [13] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2003Oct/0084.html
     [14] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2003Oct/0037.html
     [15] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2003Oct/0038.html


         1. Action IJ 2003/10/08: Add ed note to abstract that the
            abstract will be rewritten.
         2. Action IJ 2003/10/08: Starting from DO's diagram, create a
            diagram where the relationships and terms are linked back to
            the context where defined. Ensure that the relationships are
            in fact used in the narrative; any gaps identified? With DO,
            work on term relationship diagram.
         3. Action IJ 2003/10/08: Draft good practice note for 4.4.
         4. Action IJ 2003/10/08: In 2.4, add story that shows how two
            classes of error can arise (inconsistency v. no frag id
            semantics defined). Frame story in terms of secondary
         5. Action IJ 2003/10/08: Split persistency section into two and
            move http redirection para there, with appropriate rewrites.
         6. Action IJ 2003/10/08: Update OWL ref since in CR
         7. Action IJ 2003/10/08: Add a future work section for
            identifiers that the TAG expects to summarize various URI
            schemes and what agents can infer from the scheme.


         1. Action DO,NW 2003/10/08: Make the summary to replace 4.5
            Extensibility and Versioning in the arch doc


         1. Action CL 2003/07/21: Discuss and propose improved wording of
            language regarding SVG spec in bulleted list in 2.5.1.


         1. Completed action NW 2003/10/08: Write up text on information
            hiding/abstraction respect for before 2/3/4. ([16]done)
         2. Action NW 2003/10/08: Revise QName finding. We will also add
            those two good practice notes to section 2:
              1. If you use Qnames, provide a mapping to URIs.
              2. Don't define an attribute that can take either a URI or
                 a Qname since they are not syntactically
         3. Completed action NW 2003/10/08: Rewrite the last paragraph of
            4.9.2 to be less inflammatory about DTDs ([17]done)
         4. Completed action NW 2003/10/08: Massage three paragraphs
            following good practice note about persistency at beginning
            of 2.6. ([18]done)

     [16] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2003Oct/0042.html
     [17] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2003Oct/0043.html
     [18] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2003Oct/0047.html


         1. Action RF 2003/10/08: Explain "identifies" in RFC 2396.


         1. Action TBL 2003/07/14: Suggest changes to section about
            extensibility related to "when to tunnel".


         1. Action DC 2003/07/21: Propose language for section 2.8.5
            showing examples of freenet and other systems. Progress; see

     [19] http://esw.w3.org/topic/UriSchemes_2ffreenet

  2.3 XML Versioning

   Current draft is [20]3 Oct 2003 finding

     [20] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/versioning-20031003


   The TAG does not expect to cover these issues

  2.5 Findings

   See also [21]TAG findings home page.
     * [22]whenToUseGet-7: Finding: [23]URIs, Addressability, and the use
       of HTTP GET and POST
          + Action DC 2003/09/15: Provide TAG with pointers into WS specs
            where issue of safe operations is manifest.
          + Action DO 2003/09/15: Ask WSDL WG to look at finding; ask
            them if marking operations as safe in WSDL is one of their
          + See [24]comments from Noah, however.
     * [25]contentPresentation-26: Draft finding: [26]Separation of
       semantic and presentational markup, to the extent possible, is
       architecturally sound
          + Action CL 2003/10/08: Talk with others about aspects of this
            finding and revise it.
     * [27]contentTypeOverride-24: 9 July 2003 draft of [28]Client
       handling of MIME headers
         1. Completed action RF 2003/09/15: Proposed substitute text in
            light of [29]previous comments on charset param. ([30]Done)
         2. [31]Comments from Philipp Hoschka about usability issues when
            user involved in error correction. Is there a new Voice spec
            out we can point to for example behavior?
         3. [32]Comments from Chris Lilley
         4. Lots of [33]comments from Martin Duerst
         5. Action IJ 2003/10/08: Produce a new draft of the finding that
            takes into account comments from reviewers on MIME finding.
     * [34]metadataInURI-31: 8 July 2003 draft of "[35]The use of
       Metadata in URIs"
          + Action SW 2003/07/21: Produce a revision of this finding
            based on Vancouver ftf meeting discussion.
          + Action DO 2003/07/07: Send rationale about why WSDL WG wants
            to peek inside the URI.
          + See also [36]TB email on Apple Music Store and use of URI
            schemes instead of headers
          + See comments from [37]Mark Nottingham and [38]followup from
            Noah M.
     * [39]11 Sep 2003 draft of Deep Linking in the WWW
          + Completed action IJ 2003/10/08: Republish as accepted and
            signal to person who raised the issue (Michael Kay).
          + Pending action IJ 2003/09/15: Take back to Comm Team
            publicity of this document

     [21] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/findings/
     [22] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/ilist.html#whenToUseGet-7
     [23] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/whenToUseGet-20030922
     [24] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2003Sep/0160.html
     [25] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/open-summary.html#contentPresentation-26
     [26] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/contentPresentation-26-20030630.html
     [27] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/open-summary.html#contentTypeOverride-24
     [28] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/mime-respect.html
     [29] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2003Jul/0051.html
     [30] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2003Sep/0043.html
     [31] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2003Jul/0076.html
     [32] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2003Jul/0113.html
     [33] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2003Sep/0108.html
     [34] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/open-summary.html#metadataInURI-31
     [35] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/metaDataInURI-31
     [36] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2003Apr/0151.html
     [37] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2003Aug/0048.html
     [38] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2003Aug/0055.html
     [39] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/deeplinking-20030911.html

    2.2.1 Expected new findings

     * [40]siteData-36
          + Action TB 2003/10/08: Refine strawman from 8 Oct 2003 meeting
            and draft finding.
     * [41]abstractComponentRefs-37: [42]Summary of options from DO
          + Action DO 2003/10/08: Write up resolution from 8 Oct 2003
            meeting and include in finding on this topic.

     [40] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/ilist#siteData-36
     [41] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/ilist#abstractComponentRefs-37
     [42] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2003Jun/0054.html

  2.6 Issues

   The TAG does not expect to discuss these issues at this meeting.

    2.6.1 Identifiers ([43]URIEquivalence-15 , [44]IRIEverywhere-27)

     [43] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/open-summary.html#URIEquivalence-15
     [44] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/open-summary.html#IRIEverywhere-27

     * [45]URIEquivalence-15
          + SW proposal: Track RFC2396bis where [46]Tim Bray text has
            been integrated. Comment within the IETF process. Move this
            issue to pending state.
     * [47]IRIEverywhere-27
          + Action CL 2003/04/07: Revised position statement on use of
          + Action TBL 2003/04/28: Explain how existing specifications
            that handle IRIs are inconsistent. [48]TBL draft not yet
            available on www-tag.
          + See TB's [49]proposed step forward on IRI 27.

     [45] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/open-summary.html#URIEquivalence-15
     [46] http://www.textuality.com/tag/uri-comp-4
     [47] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/open-summary.html#IRIEverywhere-27
     [48] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2003Apr/0074.html
     [49] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2003Apr/0090.html

    2.6.2 Qnames, fragments, and media types([50]rdfmsQnameUriMapping-6,
    [51]fragmentInXML-28, [52]abstractComponentRefs-37, [53]putMediaType-38)

     [50] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/open-summary.html#rdfmsQnameUriMapping-6
     [51] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/ilist#fragmentInXML-28
     [52] http://www.w3.org/2003/07/24-tag-summary.html#abstractComponentRefs-37
     [53] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/open-summary.html#putMediaType-38

     * [54]xmlIDSemantics-32:[55]Chris Lilley draft finding.
          + The TAG is monitoring the Core WG's progress on this issue.
     * [56]rdfmsQnameUriMapping-6
          + Action DC 2003/02/06: Propose TAG response to XML Schema
            desideratum ([57]RQ-23).
     * [58]fragmentInXML-28 : Use of fragment identifiers in XML.
         1. Connection to content negotiation?
         2. Connection to opacity of URIs?
         3. No actions associated / no owner.
     * [59]putMediaType-38

     [54] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/ilist#xmlIDSemantics-32
     [55] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/xmlIDSemantics-32.html
     [56] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/open-summary.html#rdfmsQnameUriMapping-6
     [57] http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/WD-xmlschema-11-req-20030121/#N400183
     [58] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/ilist#fragmentInXML-28
     [59] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/open-summary.html#putMediaType-38

    2.6.3 New and other Issues requested for discussion.
    ([60]mixedUIXMLNamespace-33, [61]RDFinXHTML-35, [62]siteData-36 plus
    possible new issues)

     [60] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/ilist#mixedUIXMLNamespace-33
     [61] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/ilist#RDFinXHTML-35
     [62] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/ilist#siteData-36

   Existing Issues:
     * [63]mixedUIXMLNamespace-33
     * [64]RDFinXHTML-35

     [63] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/ilist#mixedUIXMLNamespace-33
     [64] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/ilist#RDFinXHTML-35

    2.6.4 Miscellaneous issues

     * [65]namespaceDocument-8
          + Action PC 2003/04/07: Prepare finding to answer this issue,
            pointing to the RDDL Note. See [66]comments from Paul
            regarding TB theses. From 21 July ftf meeting, due 31 August.
          + Action TB 2003/09/15: Add "Hello World" example to next draft
            of RDDL Spec (i.e., to edited version of [67]RDDL draft 4).
          + Action TB 2003/09/15: Produce schemaware for RDDL spec once
            TAG has consensus on the syntax.
     * [68]uriMediaType-9
          + Action CL 2003/05/05: Propose CL's three changes to
            registration process to Ned Freed. [What forum?]
     * [69]HTTPSubstrate-16
          + Action RF 2003/02/06: Write a response to IESG asking whether
            the Web services example in the SOAP 1.2 primer is intended
            to be excluded from RFC 3205
     * [70]xlinkScope-23
          + Action CL 2003/06/30: Ping the chairs of those groups asking
            for an update on xlinkScope-23.
     * [71]binaryXML-30
          + Action TB 2003/02/17: Write to www-tag with his thoughts on
            adding to survey.
          + Next steps to finding? See [72]summary from Chris.
     * [73]xmlFunctions-34
          + Action TBL 2003/02/06: State the issue with a reference to
            XML Core work. See [74]email from TimBL capturing some of the
     * [75]charmodReview-17
         1. Action SW 2003/10/08: Follow up with I18N folks on status of
            TAG's charmod comments.
     * [76]rdfURIMeaning-39

     [65] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2003/07/21-tag#namespaceDocument-8
     [66] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2003Apr/0046.html
     [67] http://www.tbray.org/tag/rddl4.html
     [68] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/open-summary.html#uriMediaType-9
     [69] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/open-summary.html#HTTPSubstrate-16
     [70] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/ilist.html#xlinkScope-23
     [71] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/open-summary.html#binaryXML-30
     [72] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2003Feb/0224.html
     [73] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/ilist#xmlFunctions-34
     [74] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2003Feb/0309.html
     [75] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/ilist#charmodReview-17
     [76] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/ilist.html#rdfURIMeaning-39

3. Other actions

     * Action IJ 2003/02/06: Modify issues list to show that
       actions/pending are orthogonal to decisions. PLH has put the
       issues list in production; see the [77]DOM issues list.

     [77] http://www.w3.org/2003/06/09-dom-core-issues/issues.html


Ian Jacobs (ij@w3.org)   http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs
Tel:                     +1 718 260-9447

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