- From: Ian B. Jacobs <ij@w3.org>
- Date: 16 Oct 2003 12:16:44 -0400
- To: www-tag@w3.org
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Hello,
The agenda of the 20 Oct 2003 TAG teleconf is available
as HTML [1] and as text below.
_ Ian
[1] http://www.w3.org/2003/10/20-tag
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Agenda of 20 October 2003 TAG teleconference
Note: The Chair does not expect the agenda to change after close of
business (Boston time) Thursday of this week.
1. Administrative (15min)
1. Welcome, Roll call. Regrets: SW.
2. Accept the minutes of the [8]6-8 Oct ftf in Bristol?
3. Accept this [9]agenda?
4. Next meeting: 27 Oct 2003 teleconference
5. Reminder: Action items related to Arch Document due 22 October.
[8] http://www.w3.org/2003/10/06-tag-summary.html
[9] http://www.w3.org/2003/10/20-tag.html
Upcoming meeting topics:
* 27 Oct:
+ Draft finding from NW and DO: [10]Versioning XML Languages,
18 Sep draft. What to include in arch doc?
+ Discuss AC meeting presentation
* 10 Nov: Last meeting to review Arch Doc with possibility of action
items
[10] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/versioning
1.1 TAG update at Nov 2003 AC meeting.
1. Completed action SW 2003/09/29: Draft summary based on monthly
reports from previous six months (for AC meeting). See
[11]previous highlights.
2. Action DO, CL 2003/10/07: Draft presentation for the AC meeting.
[11] http://www.w3.org/2003/05/19-sb-COO-Summary.html#Technical2
2. Technical (75min)
1. abstractComponentRefs-37
2. Review of 3023-related actions
3. Review of Architecture Document writing assignments
2.1 abstractComponentRefs-37
* [12]abstractComponentRefs-37: [13]Summary of options from DO
+ Action DO 2003/10/08: Write up resolution from 8 Oct 2003
meeting and include in finding on this topic.
[12] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/ilist#abstractComponentRefs-37
[13] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2003Jun/0054.html
2.2 Review of 3023-related actions
Actions 2003/10/08:
- NW to liaise with Paul Grosso and the XML Core WG
- TBL and DC to liaise with the IETF regarding obsoleting RFC
3023.
- TB to talk to authors of 3023 about inclusion as appendix in
xml 1.1.
- TBL and DC will talk to the Architecture Domain Lead.
2.3 Review of Architecture Document writing assignments
Latest draft is the [14]1 Oct 2003 WD of the Arch Doc.
[14] http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/WD-webarch-20031001/
TimBray
1. Action TB 2003/10/08: Write up a paragraph for section 3 on
syntax-based interoperability.
2. Action TB 2003/10/08: Write a paragraph of rationale for why
error handling good in the context of the Web.
3. Action TB 2003/10/08: Propose a revised paragraph to replace
the "Furthermore" sentence in section 2.3
Stuart
+ Completed action SW: Send to IJ draft diagrams
Ian
1. Action IJ 2003/10/08: Add ed note to abstract that the
abstract will be rewritten.
2. Action IJ 2003/10/08: Starting from DO's diagram, create a
diagram where the relationships and terms are linked back to
the context where defined. Ensure that the relationships are
in fact used in the narrative; any gaps identified? With DO,
work on term relationship diagram.
3. Action IJ 2003/10/08: Draft good practice note for 4.4.
4. Action IJ 2003/10/08: In 2.4, add story that shows how two
classes of error can arise (inconsistency v. no frag id
semantics defined). Frame story in terms of secondary
resources.
5. Action IJ 2003/10/08: Split persistency section into two and
move http redirection para there, with appropriate rewrites.
6. Action IJ 2003/10/08: Update OWL ref since in CR
7. Action IJ 2003/10/08: Add a future work section for
identifiers that the TAG expects to summarize various URI
schemes and what agents can infer from the scheme.
David
1. Action DO,NW 2003/10/08: Make the summary to replace 4.5
Extensibility and Versioning in the arch doc
Chris
1. Action CL 2003/07/21: Discuss and propose improved wording of
language regarding SVG spec in bulleted list in 2.5.1.
Norm
1. Action NW 2003/10/08: Write up text on information
hiding/abstraction respect for before 2/3/4.
2. Action NW 2003/10/08: Revise QName finding. We will also add
those two good practice notes to section 2:
1. If you use Qnames, provide a mapping to URIs.
2. Don't define an attribute that can take either a URI or
a Qname since they are not syntactically
distinguishable."
3. Action NW 2003/10/08: Rewrite the last paragraph of 4.9.2 to
be less inflammatory about DTDs
4. Action NW 2003/10/08: Massage three paragraphs following good
practice note about persistency at beginning of 2.6.
Roy
1. Action RF 2003/10/08: Explain "identifies" in RFC 2396.
TBL
1. Action TBL 2003/07/14: Suggest changes to section about
extensibility related to "when to tunnel".
DC
1. Action DC 2003/07/21: Propose language for section 2.8.5
showing examples of freenet and other systems.
_________________________________________________________________
The TAG does not expect to cover these issues
2.5 Findings
See also [15]TAG findings home page.
* [16]whenToUseGet-7: Finding: [17]URIs, Addressability, and the use
of HTTP GET and POST
+ Action DC 2003/09/15: Provide TAG with pointers into WS specs
where issue of safe operations is manifest.
+ Action DO 2003/09/15: Ask WSDL WG to look at finding; ask
them if marking operations as safe in WSDL is one of their
requirements.
+ See [18]comments from Noah, however.
* [19]contentPresentation-26: Draft finding: [20]Separation of
semantic and presentational markup, to the extent possible, is
architecturally sound
+ Action CL 2003/10/08: Talk with others about aspects of this
finding and revise it.
* [21]contentTypeOverride-24: 9 July 2003 draft of [22]Client
handling of MIME headers
1. Completed action RF 2003/09/15: Proposed substitute text in
light of [23]previous comments on charset param. ([24]Done)
2. [25]Comments from Philipp Hoschka about usability issues when
user involved in error correction. Is there a new Voice spec
out we can point to for example behavior?
3. [26]Comments from Chris Lilley
4. Lots of [27]comments from Martin Duerst
5. Action IJ 2003/10/08: Produce a new draft of the finding that
takes into account comments from reviewers on MIME finding.
* [28]metadataInURI-31: 8 July 2003 draft of "[29]The use of
Metadata in URIs"
+ Action SW 2003/07/21: Produce a revision of this finding
based on Vancouver ftf meeting discussion.
+ Action DO 2003/07/07: Send rationale about why WSDL WG wants
to peek inside the URI.
+ See also [30]TB email on Apple Music Store and use of URI
schemes instead of headers
+ See comments from [31]Mark Nottingham and [32]followup from
Noah M.
* [33]11 Sep 2003 draft of Deep Linking in the WWW
+ Completed action IJ 2003/10/08: Republish as accepted and
signal to person who raised the issue (Michael Kay).
+ Pending action IJ 2003/09/15: Take back to Comm Team
publicity of this document
[15] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/findings/
[16] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/ilist.html#whenToUseGet-7
[17] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/whenToUseGet-20030922
[18] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2003Sep/0160.html
[19] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/open-summary.html#contentPresentation-26
[20] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/contentPresentation-26-20030630.html
[21] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/open-summary.html#contentTypeOverride-24
[22] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/mime-respect.html
[23] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2003Jul/0051.html
[24] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2003Sep/0043.html
[25] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2003Jul/0076.html
[26] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2003Jul/0113.html
[27] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2003Sep/0108.html
[28] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/open-summary.html#metadataInURI-31
[29] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/metaDataInURI-31
[30] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2003Apr/0151.html
[31] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2003Aug/0048.html
[32] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2003Aug/0055.html
[33] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/deeplinking-20030911.html
2.2.1 Expected new findings
* [34]siteData-36
+ Action TB 2003/10/08: Refine strawman from 8 Oct 2003 meeting
and draft finding.
* [35]abstractComponentRefs-37: [36]Summary of options from DO
+ Action DO 2003/10/08: Write up resolution from 8 Oct 2003
meeting and include in finding on this topic.
[34] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/ilist#siteData-36
[35] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/ilist#abstractComponentRefs-37
[36] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2003Jun/0054.html
2.6 Issues
The TAG does not expect to discuss these issues at this meeting.
2.6.1 Identifiers ([37]URIEquivalence-15 , [38]IRIEverywhere-27)
[37] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/open-summary.html#URIEquivalence-15
[38] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/open-summary.html#IRIEverywhere-27
* [39]URIEquivalence-15
+ SW proposal: Track RFC2396bis where [40]Tim Bray text has
been integrated. Comment within the IETF process. Move this
issue to pending state.
* [41]IRIEverywhere-27
+ Action CL 2003/04/07: Revised position statement on use of
IRIs.
+ Action TBL 2003/04/28: Explain how existing specifications
that handle IRIs are inconsistent. [42]TBL draft not yet
available on www-tag.
+ See TB's [43]proposed step forward on IRI 27.
[39] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/open-summary.html#URIEquivalence-15
[40] http://www.textuality.com/tag/uri-comp-4
[41] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/open-summary.html#IRIEverywhere-27
[42] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2003Apr/0074.html
[43] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2003Apr/0090.html
2.6.2 Qnames, fragments, and media types([44]rdfmsQnameUriMapping-6,
[45]fragmentInXML-28, [46]abstractComponentRefs-37, [47]putMediaType-38)
[44] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/open-summary.html#rdfmsQnameUriMapping-6
[45] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/ilist#fragmentInXML-28
[46] http://www.w3.org/2003/07/24-tag-summary.html#abstractComponentRefs-37
[47] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/open-summary.html#putMediaType-38
* [48]xmlIDSemantics-32: [49]Chris Lilley draft finding.
+ The TAG is monitoring the Core WG's progress on this issue.
* [50]rdfmsQnameUriMapping-6
+ Action DC 2003/02/06: Propose TAG response to XML Schema
desideratum ([51]RQ-23).
* [52]fragmentInXML-28 : Use of fragment identifiers in XML.
1. Connection to content negotiation?
2. Connection to opacity of URIs?
3. No actions associated / no owner.
* [53]putMediaType-38
[48] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/ilist#xmlIDSemantics-32
[49] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/xmlIDSemantics-32.html
[50] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/open-summary.html#rdfmsQnameUriMapping-6
[51] http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/WD-xmlschema-11-req-20030121/#N400183
[52] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/ilist#fragmentInXML-28
[53] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/open-summary.html#putMediaType-38
2.6.3 New and other Issues requested for discussion.
([54]mixedUIXMLNamespace-33, [55]RDFinXHTML-35, [56]siteData-36 plus
possible new issues)
[54] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/ilist#mixedUIXMLNamespace-33
[55] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/ilist#RDFinXHTML-35
[56] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/ilist#siteData-36
Existing Issues:
* [57]mixedUIXMLNamespace-33
* [58]RDFinXHTML-35
[57] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/ilist#mixedUIXMLNamespace-33
[58] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/ilist#RDFinXHTML-35
2.6.4 Miscellaneous issues
* [59]namespaceDocument-8
+ Action PC 2003/04/07: Prepare finding to answer this issue,
pointing to the RDDL Note. See [60]comments from Paul
regarding TB theses. From 21 July ftf meeting, due 31 August.
+ Action PC 2003/09/08: Providing WebArch text as well for this
issue.
+ Action TB 2003/09/15: Add "Hello World" example to next draft
of RDDL Spec (i.e., to edited version of [61]RDDL draft 4).
+ Action TB 2003/09/15: Produce schemaware for RDDL spec once
TAG has consensus on the syntax.
+ Refer to draft TAG [62]opinion from Tim Bray on the use of
URNs for namespace names.
* [63]uriMediaType-9
+ IANA appears to have responded to the spirit of this draft
(see [64]email from Chris Lilley).What's required to close
this issue?
+ Action CL 2003/05/05: Propose CL's three changes to
registration process to Ned Freed. [What forum?]
* [65]HTTPSubstrate-16
+ Action RF 2003/02/06: Write a response to IESG asking whether
the Web services example in the SOAP 1.2 primer is intended
to be excluded from RFC 3205
+ See [66]message from Larry Masinter w.r.t. Web services.
* [67]xlinkScope-23
+ See [68]draft, and [69]SW message to CG chairs.
+ Action CL 2003/06/30: Ping the chairs of those groups asking
for an update on xlinkScope-23.
* [70]binaryXML-30
+ Action TB 2003/02/17: Write to www-tag with his thoughts on
adding to survey.
+ Action IJ 2003/07/21: Add link from issues list binaryXML-30
to upcoming workshop
+ Next steps to finding? See [71]summary from Chris.
* [72]xmlFunctions-34
+ Action TBL 2003/02/06: State the issue with a reference to
XML Core work. See [73]email from TimBL capturing some of the
issues.
* [74]charmodReview-17
1. Action SW 2003/10/08: Follow up with I18N folks on status of
TAG's charmod comments.
2. [75]Mail from DC to I18N WG in light of new Charmod draft
* [76]rdfURIMeaning-39
[59] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2003/07/21-tag#namespaceDocument-8
[60] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2003Apr/0046.html
[61] http://www.tbray.org/tag/rddl4.html
[62] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2003Jun/0003.html
[63] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/open-summary.html#uriMediaType-9
[64] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2003Feb/0302.html
[65] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/open-summary.html#HTTPSubstrate-16
[66] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2003Feb/0208.html
[67] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/ilist.html#xlinkScope-23
[68] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2003Mar/0094.html
[69] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2003Mar/0104
[70] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/open-summary.html#binaryXML-30
[71] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2003Feb/0224.html
[72] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/ilist#xmlFunctions-34
[73] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2003Feb/0309.html
[74] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/ilist#charmodReview-17
[75] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/2003Sep/0019.html
[76] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/ilist.html#rdfURIMeaning-39
3. Other actions
* Action IJ 2003/02/06: Modify issues list to show that
actions/pending are orthogonal to decisions. PLH has put the
issues list in production; see the [77]DOM issues list.
[77] http://www.w3.org/2003/06/09-dom-core-issues/issues.html
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Ian Jacobs for Norm Walsh and TimBL
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