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RE: WebFonts ready for use

From: Paul Nelson (ATC) <paulnel@winse.microsoft.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:50:15 -0700
To: Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>
CC: Håkon Wium Lie <howcome@opera.com>, "www-style@w3.org" <www-style@w3.org>
Message-ID: <D92F7E6A79E88B4684BFC067AE15477D28C9577BDB@NA-EXMSG-S702.segroup.winse.corp.microsoft.com>

Hello Maciej,

Given the other discussions on this list with regards to either installing fonts via CSS or sharing embedded fonts between pages, the concept of using raw fonts on the internet is still of great concern to commercial font vendors.

I appreciate that Apple and Opera install fonts for run-time use which will reduce the risk of "casual piracy". Thank you.

Best regards,


-----Original Message-----
From: Maciej Stachowiak [mailto:mjs@apple.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 2:59 PM
To: Paul Nelson (ATC)
Cc: Håkon Wium Lie; www-style@w3.org
Subject: Re: WebFonts ready for use

Hi Paul,

On Apr 21, 2008, at 4:39 PM, Paul Nelson (ATC) wrote:

> Based on discussions with font developers who are up to speed on the
> technology, they view this as a threat that they intend to treat
> like any other public posting of their IP to the Web. So they will
> deal with each occurrence the old fashioned way with cease and
> desist notices. A few non-traditional font makers see the
> possibility of a "market" for Web fonts, but no one really has any
> concrete ideas on a business model.
> The main concern voiced is "casual piracy" where the average person
> simply uses or has fonts installed by web pages without realizing
> that the UA was just being "helpful".

As far as I know, none of the UAs that Håkon mentioned will allow
"install" fonts fonts for use beyond the web page. Safari/WebKit in
particular activates the font in-memory and only makes it available to
the page referencing it via CSS. Nothing is installed on the system in
a permanent way, so no possibility of "casual piracy" by end users is
created. I hope you will correct this apparent misunderstanding among
font developers.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: www-style-request@w3.org [mailto:www-style-request@w3.org] On
> Behalf Of Håkon Wium Lie
> Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 12:23 AM
> To: www-style@w3.org
> Subject: WebFonts ready for use
> I'm happy to see the discussions on WebFonts. I also think it's
> important that people on this list start playing with WebFonts. There
> are now three implementations that allow you to use common font
> formats with WebFonts:
>  http://www.apple.com/safari/
>  http://www.princexml.com/
>  http://labs.opera.com/news/2008/03/28/
> Here are some more pages that use WebFonts:
>  http://www.princexml.com/howcome/2008/webfonts/
>  http://www.princexml.com/samples/
>  http://people.opera.com/howcome/2008/ooxml/iso.html
>  http://people.opera.com/howcome/2008/ooxml/iso.pdf
> Cheers,
> -h&kon
>              Håkon Wium Lie                          CTO °þe®ª
> howcome@opera.com                  http://people.opera.com/howcome
Received on Tuesday, 22 April 2008 21:51:29 UTC

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