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Re: New layout language.

From: Orion Adrian <orion.adrian@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 15:08:53 -0400
Message-ID: <abd6c80105070612083d87d1ef@mail.gmail.com>
To: www-style@w3.org

> >My point is that it wasn't obvious. You yourself said, you had to
> >figure some things out. I've spent years with CSS and while I haven't
> >recently, the system is very complex in how it interacts with itself.
> 
> I'd just like to point out here that most CSS experimentation involves
> finding out what IE will do with certain types of code.  It's rare that
> I run CSS through both Firefox and Opera and find major differences with
> how it's interpreted.  In fact, 99 out of 100 times, it'll be
> interpreted exactly as the CSS standards say, which means I can
> visualize it in my head.

The idea I've been trying to get across this whole time is that the
mental models of the people here are very unlikely to be the mental
models of most designers.

I agree that CSS is capable of more than I thought. My argument still
stands. The model that CSS uses doesn't match the model that styling
authors have in their head. It also combines content with everything
else which again, doesn't match what they have in there head. Do I
have exact numbers? No. The reason being is that while working with
people it was so clear to me that the mental models didn't match, that
I knew there was a problem.

My desire has always been the same. Minimize time to learn and time to
do. What's wrong with that? Should we instead strive for what is? I
say no. I say no for the same reason we've always strive for what's
better. I can't think of a more precious commodity than time. It's
what everything is based on. Now the greatest gift we can give is our
time. If the developers of UAs don't like the idea of all the time
they'll be spending, it's a shame, but compared to all those other
people who will be loosing their precious time, to me, there is only
one conclusion.

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Orion Adrian
Received on Wednesday, 6 July 2005 19:09:06 GMT

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