Re: What should I use for centering (DIV or P)

Daniel W. Connolly (connolly@beach.w3.org)
Wed, 17 Apr 1996 09:46:45 -0400


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To: Abigail <abigail@tungsten.gn.iaf.nl>
Cc: www-html@w3.org
Subject: Re: What should I use for centering (DIV or P) 
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 16 Apr 1996 02:35:41 +0200."
             <199604160035.CAA09986@tungsten.gn.iaf.nl> 
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 09:46:45 -0400
From: "Daniel W. Connolly" <connolly@beach.w3.org>


I side with Walter: in general, content and presentation are equally
important. Technical documentation is an exception.  Many of us
(myself included) color our view of the world according to our
experience doing technical documentation. But we have to guard
againsta that.

See, for example:

From: connolly@beach.w3.org
Subject: Re: the STYLE attribute
Message-Id: 199511101829.NAA13143@beach.w3.org
http://www.acl.lanl.gov/HTML_WG/html-wg-95q4.messages/0546.html
|In some shops, separation of content from appearance is the rule. In
|other shops, the subtle interaction between them is the stuff of life.
|If we attempt to constrain those shops, they will go elsewhere. And in
|my estimation, they are the majority of the market force.
|
|The business of HTML-WG is Reliable Interoperability. Where separation
|of content from appearance serves that goal, we employ it. Where it
|does not, we do not.

In message <199604160035.CAA09986@tungsten.gn.iaf.nl>, Abigail writes:
>You, Walter Ian Kaye wrote:
>++             To me, any consecutive series of related elements can be
>++ considered a "section", and just because Heikki hadn't originally planned
>++ to use div for structural purposes does not in itself invalidate its usage
>++ for centering -- in fact, it could be that the document would benefit from
>++ div, yet it was the thought of layout which brought it to mind! Not
>++ everyone's left and right brains are so disconnected as Abigail's -- to
>++ many of us, structure and layout (left and right brain) are intimately tied
>++ to each other and *equally* important.
>
>Maybe, but by choosing HTML as the way to deliver your message, you
>already have choosen for structure first, and just layout *hints*.
>
>++                                        If Abigail thinks her right brain is
>++ less important than her left brain, well... I'm not qualified to comment on
>++ that.
>
>My right brain is more important than your right brain.
>
>++       All I know is that God gave us an equal portion of each, therefore
>++ document presentation is equally important to document structure.
>
>All I know is that there are no gods.
>
>++                                                                   Not less
>++ important; equally important. I'm sick and tired of presentation being
>++ treated as a second-class citizen. :/
>
>I find that a very odd concept. To me, it is far more important to
>be heard, than the way I sound. I rather have my message not aligned
>the way I want but understandable, than aligned the way I want, but
>unreadable. 
>
>Oh well, maybe I am odd.

Me too. But I'm afraid we are the exception.

Dan