- From: Abigail <abigail@tungsten.gn.iaf.nl>
- Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 02:35:41 +0200 (MET DST)
- To: www-html@w3.org
You, Walter Ian Kaye wrote: ++ ++ At 6:40p 04/15/96, Paul Prescod wrote: ++ >At 03:19 PM 4/15/96 -0700, Walter Ian Kaye wrote: ++ >>At 11:29p 04/15/96, Abigail wrote: ++ >>>The logical markup of the document is far more important than the layout ++ >>>hints. The attributes go with the elements; one doesn't use elements ++ >>>for the attributes. ++ >> ++ >>Ok Abigail, please tell us exactly how you use div. What structural purpose ++ >>does it serve, and why do you consider it unrelated to layout? You sound ++ >>like you are trying to enforce the letter of the law without caring about ++ >>anything else... ++ > ++ > "The DIV element is used with the CLASS attribute to represent ++ > different kinds of containers, e.g. chapter, section, abstract, or ++ > appendix." ++ > ++ > ... ++ > ++ > "The content model for DIV allows headers, lists, paragraphs ++ > as well as other DIV elements etc. This allows DIVs to be nested, to ++ > form hierarchies of chapters, sections, and subsections etc." ++ > ++ >ftp://ftp.ietf.cnri.reston.va.us/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-html-style-01.txt ++ ++ ++ Yeah, but who's to say that Heikki's usage won't be in a "section" or ++ "abstract"? That's why I said to FIRST logical markup the document. If you use <div>s, align the <div>s. If you don't use them, don't introduce them just for layout purposes, but center the other elements you have. <h?>, <p>, <table>, <fig>, etc. ++ To me, any consecutive series of related elements can be ++ considered a "section", and just because Heikki hadn't originally planned ++ to use div for structural purposes does not in itself invalidate its usage ++ for centering -- in fact, it could be that the document would benefit from ++ div, yet it was the thought of layout which brought it to mind! Not ++ everyone's left and right brains are so disconnected as Abigail's -- to ++ many of us, structure and layout (left and right brain) are intimately tied ++ to each other and *equally* important. Maybe, but by choosing HTML as the way to deliver your message, you already have choosen for structure first, and just layout *hints*. ++ If Abigail thinks her right brain is ++ less important than her left brain, well... I'm not qualified to comment on ++ that. My right brain is more important than your right brain. ++ All I know is that God gave us an equal portion of each, therefore ++ document presentation is equally important to document structure. All I know is that there are no gods. ++ Not less ++ important; equally important. I'm sick and tired of presentation being ++ treated as a second-class citizen. :/ I find that a very odd concept. To me, it is far more important to be heard, than the way I sound. I rather have my message not aligned the way I want but understandable, than aligned the way I want, but unreadable. Oh well, maybe I am odd. Abigail -- <URL: http://www.edbo.com/abigail/>
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