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RE: [widgets] Re: i18n comments:

From: Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>
Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 17:32:44 +0100
To: "'Arthur Barstow'" <art.barstow@nokia.com>, "'Addison Phillips'" <addison@amazon.com>, "'Felix Sasaki'" <felix.sasaki@fh-potsdam.de>
Cc: "'Marcos Caceres'" <marcosc@opera.com>, "'Robin Berjon'" <robin@berjon.com>, "'Steven Pemberton'" <Steven.Pemberton@cwi.nl>, "'Doug Schepers'" <schepers@w3.org>, "'Charles McCathieNevile'" <chaals@opera.com>, "'www-archive'" <www-archive@w3.org>
Message-ID: <028301caf83a$13e9ee10$3bbdca30$@org>
Hi Art,

We discussed this at the i18n telecon last night and Addison has an action
to respond to you quickly to (I hope) let you know that all is ok.

However, I gave the document one more read through myself this afternoon
just for good measure, and I noticed a small number of editorial nits that I
will send along in a few minutes in separate emails.

One additional comment that's not worth a separate email: Yves Savourel's
name is missing the final 'l' in the acknowledgements section.

As always, a summary of all our comments can be found at
http://www.org/International/reviews/0907-widgets-pc/ with links to email
threads.  Comments on a white background are deemed to be fixed/closed.

I added one substantive comment (number 20) that reflects something I
mentioned in an email on 26th March, but I am assuming that it is now too
late to change it, so I marked the comment as closed.  (If it is not too
late to change it, please consider doing so, of course.) I will send an
email for that one too, just to keep the books tidy.


Richard Ishida
Internationalization Lead
W3C (World Wide Web Consortium)


From: Arthur Barstow [mailto:art.barstow@nokia.com] 
Sent: 12 May 2010 17:14
To: Richard Ishida; Addison Phillips; Felix Sasaki
Cc: Marcos Caceres; Robin Berjon; Steven Pemberton; Doug Schepers; Charles
McCathieNevile; www-archive
Subject: Fwd: [widgets] Re: i18n comments:

Hi All,

Marcos has completed all of the changes to the Widget Packaging and
Configuration (P&C) spec related to the new <span> element and dir attribute
and the removal of the ITS references. The latest Editor's Draft that
includes these changes is:

[ED]  http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/

Would the I18N WG please review the changes and submit comments to

Given the last formal publication of this spec was a CR and we consider the
<span> and dir changes as a replacement for ITS, our plan (once we have
sufficient implementation data) is to move directly to PR and not publish
another LC or CR. As such, we want to know if the I18N WG sees any issues
with [ED].

-Thanks, Art Barstow 

Begin forwarded message:

From: Arthur Barstow <Art.Barstow@nokia.com>
Date: April 6, 2010 10:05:33 AM EDT
To: Addison Phillips <addison@amazon.com>, Marcos Caceres
<marcosc@opera.com>, Felix Sasaki <felix.sasaki@fh-potsdam.de>, "Martin J.
Dürst" <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp>, Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>
Cc: public-i18n-core@w3.org, public-webapps <public-webapps@w3.org>
Subject: [widgets] Re: i18n comments:

Hi Marcos, All,

Has the I18N Core WG reviewed Marcos' latest proposal? If yes, where can we
find their comments; if no, when can we expect a reply?

-Art Barstow

On Mar 30, 2010, at 11:07 AM, ext Marcos Caceres wrote:

On 29/03/10 5:16 PM, Phillips, Addison wrote:
This doesn't make any sense to me. I think you are over-thinking this.

The author element contains the author's *NAME*. It can also include an href
and an email attribute. UTR#36 refers explicitly to IRIs and IDNA addresses,
which would be the values of these attributes. However, it does NOT refer to
plain text (the body of the element 'author') which is what the 'dir'
attribute really applies to. To not provide bidirectional overrides for the
author's name strikes me as incredibly short sighted, given that you can
override any higher-level element. To have one place in your configuration
document that requires controls is not to improve security, it is to reduce

I've updated the spec and the RelaxNG to include "rlo" and "lro".

It would make far more sense for you to cite UTR#36 with regard to an
implementations presentation of the href or email attributes, suggesting (or
forbidding) the application of the dir attribute to these values. But the
body of the<author>  element needs the bidi markup and should not depend on
Unicode bidi controls.

I trashed the old note, made this new note.

Note: Implementations intending to display IRIs and IDNA addresses found
in the configuration document are strongly encouraged to follow the
security advice given in [UTR36]. This could include, for example,
behaving as if the dir attribute had no effect on any IRI attributes,
path attributes, and the author element's email attribute.

IRI attributes, path attributes are defined in the specification.

Any better?

Kind regards,

Marcos Caceres
Opera Software

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