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Re: [widgets] Re: i18n comments:

From: Arthur Barstow <art.barstow@nokia.com>
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 08:53:46 -0400
Message-ID: <4BFD19DA.9020905@nokia.com>
To: ext Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>, "'Addison Phillips'" <addison@amazon.com>
CC: "'Felix Sasaki'" <felix.sasaki@fh-potsdam.de>, "'Marcos Caceres'" <marcosc@opera.com>, "'Robin Berjon'" <robin@berjon.com>, "'Steven Pemberton'" <Steven.Pemberton@cwi.nl>, "'Doug Schepers'" <schepers@w3.org>, "'Charles McCathieNevile'" <chaals@opera.com>, "'www-archive'" <www-archive@w3.org>
Richard - thanks for sending your comments.

Addison - Richard indicates below you are going to respond (i.e. 
follow-up). What is your plan to do so?


On 5/20/10 12:32 PM, ext Richard Ishida wrote:
> Hi Art,
> We discussed this at the i18n telecon last night and Addison has an action
> to respond to you quickly to (I hope) let you know that all is ok.
> However, I gave the document one more read through myself this afternoon
> just for good measure, and I noticed a small number of editorial nits that I
> will send along in a few minutes in separate emails.
> One additional comment that's not worth a separate email: Yves Savourel's
> name is missing the final 'l' in the acknowledgements section.
> As always, a summary of all our comments can be found at
> http://www.org/International/reviews/0907-widgets-pc/  with links to email
> threads.  Comments on a white background are deemed to be fixed/closed.
> I added one substantive comment (number 20) that reflects something I
> mentioned in an email on 26th March, but I am assuming that it is now too
> late to change it, so I marked the comment as closed.  (If it is not too
> late to change it, please consider doing so, of course.) I will send an
> email for that one too, just to keep the books tidy.
> Cheers,
> RI
> ============
> Richard Ishida
> Internationalization Lead
> W3C (World Wide Web Consortium)
> http://www.w3.org/International/
> http://rishida.net/
> From: Arthur Barstow [mailto:art.barstow@nokia.com]
> Sent: 12 May 2010 17:14
> To: Richard Ishida; Addison Phillips; Felix Sasaki
> Cc: Marcos Caceres; Robin Berjon; Steven Pemberton; Doug Schepers; Charles
> McCathieNevile; www-archive
> Subject: Fwd: [widgets] Re: i18n comments:
> Hi All,
> Marcos has completed all of the changes to the Widget Packaging and
> Configuration (P&C) spec related to the new<span>  element and dir attribute
> and the removal of the ITS references. The latest Editor's Draft that
> includes these changes is:
> [ED]http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/
> Would the I18N WG please review the changes and submit comments to
> public-webapps?
> Given the last formal publication of this spec was a CR and we consider the
> <span>  and dir changes as a replacement for ITS, our plan (once we have
> sufficient implementation data) is to move directly to PR and not publish
> another LC or CR. As such, we want to know if the I18N WG sees any issues
> with [ED].
> -Thanks, Art Barstow 
> Begin forwarded message:
> From: Arthur Barstow<Art.Barstow@nokia.com>
> Date: April 6, 2010 10:05:33 AM EDT
> To: Addison Phillips<addison@amazon.com>, Marcos Caceres
> <marcosc@opera.com>, Felix Sasaki<felix.sasaki@fh-potsdam.de>, "Martin J.
> Dürst"<duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp>, Richard Ishida<ishida@w3.org>
> Cc:public-i18n-core@w3.org, public-webapps<public-webapps@w3.org>
> Subject: [widgets] Re: i18n comments:
> Hi Marcos, All,
> Has the I18N Core WG reviewed Marcos' latest proposal? If yes, where can we
> find their comments; if no, when can we expect a reply?
> -Art Barstow
> On Mar 30, 2010, at 11:07 AM, ext Marcos Caceres wrote:
> On 29/03/10 5:16 PM, Phillips, Addison wrote:
> This doesn't make any sense to me. I think you are over-thinking this.
> The author element contains the author's *NAME*. It can also include an href
> and an email attribute. UTR#36 refers explicitly to IRIs and IDNA addresses,
> which would be the values of these attributes. However, it does NOT refer to
> plain text (the body of the element 'author') which is what the 'dir'
> attribute really applies to. To not provide bidirectional overrides for the
> author's name strikes me as incredibly short sighted, given that you can
> override any higher-level element. To have one place in your configuration
> document that requires controls is not to improve security, it is to reduce
> usability.
> I've updated the spec and the RelaxNG to include "rlo" and "lro".
> It would make far more sense for you to cite UTR#36 with regard to an
> implementations presentation of the href or email attributes, suggesting (or
> forbidding) the application of the dir attribute to these values. But the
> body of the<author>   element needs the bidi markup and should not depend on
> Unicode bidi controls.
> I trashed the old note, made this new note.
> [[
> Note: Implementations intending to display IRIs and IDNA addresses found
> in the configuration document are strongly encouraged to follow the
> security advice given in [UTR36]. This could include, for example,
> behaving as if the dir attribute had no effect on any IRI attributes,
> path attributes, and the author element's email attribute.
> ]]
> IRI attributes, path attributes are defined in the specification.
> Any better?
> Kind regards,
> Marcos
> -- 
> Marcos Caceres
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