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Re: [widgets] Re: i18n comments:

From: Arthur Barstow <Art.Barstow@nokia.com>
Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 07:25:17 -0400
Message-Id: <3FA34EFB-01DB-4B49-9456-247C8AA22B00@nokia.com>
Cc: Felix Sasaki <felix.sasaki@fh-potsdam.de>, Marcos Caceres <marcosc@opera.com>, Robin Berjon <robin@berjon.com>, Steven Pemberton <Steven.Pemberton@cwi.nl>, Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>, Charles McCathieNevile <chaals@opera.com>, www-archive <www-archive@w3.org>
To: Addison Phillips <addison@amazon.com>, Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>
Hi Richard,

Thank you for sending in comments 15, 17, 18, 19 and 20. Is there a  
number 16 or other comments you will send?

Also, will Addison send us an e-mail or should we consider the  
comments you already submitted as the final comments from the I18N WG  
for the P&C spec?

Re comment #20, I appreciate you marking this as closed since a  
change like this is indeed too late.

-Art Barstow

On May 20, 2010, at 12:32 PM, ext Richard Ishida wrote:

> Hi Art,
>
> We discussed this at the i18n telecon last night and Addison has an  
> action
> to respond to you quickly to (I hope) let you know that all is ok.
>
> However, I gave the document one more read through myself this  
> afternoon
> just for good measure, and I noticed a small number of editorial  
> nits that I
> will send along in a few minutes in separate emails.
>
> One additional comment that's not worth a separate email: Yves  
> Savourel's
> name is missing the final 'l' in the acknowledgements section.
>
> As always, a summary of all our comments can be found at
> http://www.org/International/reviews/0907-widgets-pc/ with links to  
> email
> threads.  Comments on a white background are deemed to be fixed/ 
> closed.
>
> I added one substantive comment (number 20) that reflects something I
> mentioned in an email on 26th March, but I am assuming that it is  
> now too
> late to change it, so I marked the comment as closed.  (If it is  
> not too
> late to change it, please consider doing so, of course.) I will  
> send an
> email for that one too, just to keep the books tidy.
>
> Cheers,
> RI
>
> ============
> Richard Ishida
> Internationalization Lead
> W3C (World Wide Web Consortium)
>
> http://www.w3.org/International/
> http://rishida.net/
>
>
>
> From: Arthur Barstow [mailto:art.barstow@nokia.com]
> Sent: 12 May 2010 17:14
> To: Richard Ishida; Addison Phillips; Felix Sasaki
> Cc: Marcos Caceres; Robin Berjon; Steven Pemberton; Doug Schepers;  
> Charles
> McCathieNevile; www-archive
> Subject: Fwd: [widgets] Re: i18n comments:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Marcos has completed all of the changes to the Widget Packaging and
> Configuration (P&C) spec related to the new <span> element and dir  
> attribute
> and the removal of the ITS references. The latest Editor's Draft that
> includes these changes is:
>
> [ED]  http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/
>
> Would the I18N WG please review the changes and submit comments to
> public-webapps?
>
> Given the last formal publication of this spec was a CR and we  
> consider the
> <span> and dir changes as a replacement for ITS, our plan (once we  
> have
> sufficient implementation data) is to move directly to PR and not  
> publish
> another LC or CR. As such, we want to know if the I18N WG sees any  
> issues
> with [ED].
>
> -Thanks, Art Barstow
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>
> From: Arthur Barstow <Art.Barstow@nokia.com>
> Date: April 6, 2010 10:05:33 AM EDT
> To: Addison Phillips <addison@amazon.com>, Marcos Caceres
> <marcosc@opera.com>, Felix Sasaki <felix.sasaki@fh-potsdam.de>,  
> "Martin J.
> Dürst" <duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp>, Richard Ishida <ishida@w3.org>
> Cc: public-i18n-core@w3.org, public-webapps <public-webapps@w3.org>
> Subject: [widgets] Re: i18n comments:
>
> Hi Marcos, All,
>
> Has the I18N Core WG reviewed Marcos' latest proposal? If yes,  
> where can we
> find their comments; if no, when can we expect a reply?
>
> -Art Barstow
>
> On Mar 30, 2010, at 11:07 AM, ext Marcos Caceres wrote:
>
>
>
> On 29/03/10 5:16 PM, Phillips, Addison wrote:
> This doesn't make any sense to me. I think you are over-thinking this.
>
> The author element contains the author's *NAME*. It can also  
> include an href
> and an email attribute. UTR#36 refers explicitly to IRIs and IDNA  
> addresses,
> which would be the values of these attributes. However, it does NOT  
> refer to
> plain text (the body of the element 'author') which is what the 'dir'
> attribute really applies to. To not provide bidirectional overrides  
> for the
> author's name strikes me as incredibly short sighted, given that  
> you can
> override any higher-level element. To have one place in your  
> configuration
> document that requires controls is not to improve security, it is  
> to reduce
> usability.
>
> I've updated the spec and the RelaxNG to include "rlo" and "lro".
>
> It would make far more sense for you to cite UTR#36 with regard to an
> implementations presentation of the href or email attributes,  
> suggesting (or
> forbidding) the application of the dir attribute to these values.  
> But the
> body of the<author>  element needs the bidi markup and should not  
> depend on
> Unicode bidi controls.
>
> I trashed the old note, made this new note.
>
> [[
> Note: Implementations intending to display IRIs and IDNA addresses  
> found
> in the configuration document are strongly encouraged to follow the
> security advice given in [UTR36]. This could include, for example,
> behaving as if the dir attribute had no effect on any IRI attributes,
> path attributes, and the author element's email attribute.
> ]]
>
> IRI attributes, path attributes are defined in the specification.
>
> Any better?
>
> Kind regards,
> Marcos
>
>
> -- 
> Marcos Caceres
> Opera Software
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