- From: Rob Sayre <rsayre@mozilla.com>
- Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 14:26:16 -0400
- To: Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>
- CC: www-archive <www-archive@w3.org>
On 6/1/09 2:05 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: > Rob Sayre wrote: >> On 6/1/09 1:23 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: >>> Rob Sayre wrote: >>>> On 6/1/09 7:01 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: >>>>> From my point of view, a push to publish a Design Principles >>>>> document as a formal W3C Note is a distraction. To be clear, I am >>>>> not saying that the Design Principles document itself isn't useful >>>>> and interesting, but the effort to publish it as a Note means that >>>>> the details of the wording is something that must be discussed. >>>> >>>> There seem to be group members laboring under the assumption that >>>> the Design Principles document does not apply to their suggestions >>>> or objections. >>> >>> It is a common debating technique to make grandiose claims without >>> specifics. >> >> That claim is neither grandiose or vague. I could cite instances of >> this behavior, but singling out individuals seems unproductive. >> >>> Now: what was your point? >> >> That arguing against the document is fruitless procedural stalling. >> There are plenty of other working groups where one can work on >> standards that will never appear in a browser. >> >> When the document comes up in argument, there is a possibility that >> the person citing the document as support is "wrapping themselves in >> the flag", but that is relatively easy to spot. If the document has >> been cited correctly, then the group really breaks down: I have seen >> claims that we should restart it from scratch, and claims that it's >> all a bunch of wishy-washy rubbish, but mostly I see claims that the >> document doesn't apply to everyone in the group. > > The requirement to provide citations is intended to ensure that the > original input is not mischaracterized. I believe that the above > contains a number of such mischaracterizations, but I can't say for > sure, as you continue to decline to provide citations. Here's a start: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009May/0309.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009May/0338.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009May/0356.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009May/0359.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009May/0364.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009May/0648.html - Rob
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