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Re : Influence of valid code (generically)

From: Sebastiano Nutarelli (IWA/HWG) <snutarelli@webaccessibile.org>
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 03:47:45 -0400
Message-Id: <200506170347.AA299565372@webaccessibile.org>
To: "WCAG WG mailing list" <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>

Hi to all,
I'm extermely agree with Roberto Castaldo.
How W3C can allow use of not valid code?
Anyway, what will HTML WG think about it?
Finally, W3C (and WAI above all) should give measures, references and GL to develop accessible web sites; I know not valid code could means anyhow accessible services online but issue is (IMHO) that we should assure that developers don't realize not accessibile web sites, and starting with no certified code could be the worst way to guarantee it.
Best regards

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Roberto Castaldo" <r.castaldo@iol.it>
Date:  Thu, 16 Jun 2005 22:17:11 +0200

>
>Hi folks,
>
>I've already written in this list that - in my opinion - valid code is one
>of the starting points to try and make a bettere Web, also more accessible.
>
>We all know that an accessible web site can be "not valid" and that valid
>code is not the only issue about web accessibility, but it is simply one of
>those.
>
>We all also know that some browsers and even some assistive technology are
>able to handle not valid code (which is simply Tag soup), but how can a W3C
>recommendation base itself upon Tag soup? How can a W3C recommandation say:
>"ok, if you really need it, you can use tag soup"?
>
>Matt said:
>It's not the product that makes valid code also accessible, it's the
>_practice_
>
>Roberto:
>It's true that there will never be a tool able to generate accessible pages
>by itself, but what kind of practice can exist without a base of discipline?
>Practice must be based on some milestones, and valid code is simply one of
>those, not the only one of course. 
>
>Does anyone of us imagine a course on X-HTML where the teacher says "no
>matter what W3C says, the only important thing is that you reach your aim...
>Use any kind of code despite of the standards"; why should _we_ say such
>things?
>
>I think that we should remember that W3C is "the reference" in the whole Web
>community, and that W3C should "trace the road" for the Web of tomorrow; if
>we realize that nowadays authoring tools and CMS (not everyone to be honest)
>are not able to generate valid code should we say "ok, that's the real
>world" or should we try and push vendors to create better tools?
>
>W3C (and WAI) cannot comply with actual market products and vendors;
>instead, products and vendors should use W3C recommendations and pushes to
>make a better Web.
>
>W3C (and WAI) cannot simply read todays Web and its troubles, but should
>give the right suggestions to fight and defeat such troubles. W3C must also
>educate and induce web developers - the newbies and the professionals - in
>getting a better level of knowledge of web standards, and I don't think that
>allowing tag soup is the best way to get that result.
>
>My best regards,
>
>Roberto Castaldo
>-----------------------------------
>www.Webaccessibile.Org coordinator
>IWA/HWG Member
>rcastaldo@webaccessibile.org
>r.castaldo@iol.it
>Icq 178709294
>------------------------------------  

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Sebastiano Nutarelli 
IWA/HWG Member 
W3C WCAG Working Group Member 
E-mail: snutarelli@webaccessibile.org
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Received on Friday, 17 June 2005 07:50:43 UTC

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