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Re: an action item :)

From: Emmanuelle Gutiérrez y Restrepo <emmanuelle@teleline.es>
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 13:31:34 +0200
Message-ID: <000001c10deb$f89b7da0$2f0e04d5@teleline.es>
To: "Lisa Seeman" <lseeman@globalformats.com>, <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Hi,

The External Factors that I have mentioned, are not limited to a noisy or
not well illuminated atmosphere neither they refer to situations in those
that the user can make something to change them.
Let us think of a person that uses a kiosk in an airport or in that that
drives their car and at the same time he/she has to use Internet or in any
situation in the one that the hands or the user's senses are hindered.

If the main objective of the guidelines is people with disability, then they
should keep in mind the handicap situation in that any person can be. Unless
you want to follow a "disability" definition different from the conventional
one internationally for the WHO.

I don't believe that to include external factors reduces the importance of
the guidelines, on the contrary, I believe that for some managers, not very
sensitive to the necessities of people with disabilities, this focus ago
more attractive the necessity to implement them.

Of course that it is a work of EO to explain the reasons to apply the
guidelines, but I believe that in the introduction it should be mentioned,
at least, the factors that the guidelines are kept in mind or that they
cover.

Kind regards,
Emmanuelle

----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisa Seeman" <lseeman@globalformats.com>
To: <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: an action item :)


> I think Emmanuelle has made a point of other advantages of following the
> guidelines. That in following them the site will be useable and helpful
for
> "the noisy or
> not well illuminated atmospheres".
>
>
> This, I think, is just usability and not about making content
inaccessible.
> Now our guidelines will help these situations, but they are not (in my
> opinion) what they were for. Therefore I prefer to not include these
> usability but not accessibility points. I think that is belongs with EO,
as
> another good reason for implementing the guidelines.
>
> I think making people think that these guideline include things to help
> people in a noisy room, will reduce their importance and legitimize a
"take
> it or leave it"  attitude.
>
> I was under the impression, that we put some responsibility on the end
user.
> Turning on the lighting is probably a good minimum requirement.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Emmanuelle Gutiérrez y Restrepo" <emmanuelle@teleline.es>
> To: <cyns@opendesign.com>; <lseeman@globalformats.com>;
<w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 6:35 PM
> Subject: Re: an action item :)
>
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Maybe be good idea that in the introduction of the guidelines the
> meticulous
> > explanations are eliminated on the types of deficiencies that cover,
> > provided another document that explains clearly what a type of users
exist
> > and in what circumstances they have been kept in mind when editing the
> > rules.
> >
> > Anyway, in the writing proposed by Lisa she lacks to mention the
external
> > conditions. I believe that we can classify to all the users and their
> > personal circumstances in three factors to keep in mind: Personal
factors
> > (that cover the disability, the age and the illiteracy), Technological
> > Factors (that cover the necessity to use assistive technology and all
the
> > technologies that can be used) and External Factors (that cover the
noisy
> or
> > not well illuminated atmospheres and any other obstacle unaware to the
> > person).
> >
> > Regards,
> > Emmanuelle
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <cyns@opendesign.com>
> > To: <lseeman@globalformats.com>; <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
> > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 2:18 AM
> > Subject: RE: an action item :)
> >
> >
> > > Short, sweet, and to the point.  I like it.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Lisa Seeman [mailto:lseeman@globalformats.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 7:11 AM
> > > To: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
> > > Subject: an action item :)
> > >
> > >
> > > In the ftf one of my action items was to write a replacement for the
> list
> > > of impairments catered for in the introduction.
> > >
> > > The idea is to give people a sense of context about who and what the
> > > guidelines are for, some awareness of what user groups and devices
> exist,
> > > without opening a Pandora's box of classifying disabilities (which I
> > > personally felt could get offensive)
> > >
> > > I felt that it important to get a proposal on the table, so that we
can
> > > agree if this is the kind of thing we want in principal, and then we
> > > can  get pedantic about semantics and my grammar.
> > >
> > > So in your comments, please remember to say if this is
> > >   the kind of thing that you want content wise
> > >   and the kind of style that we want
> > >
> > > It is a bit plagiarized from our home site, but we do not  mind.
> > >
> > > <this is it>
> > > Understanding the guidelines involves remembering that not all devices
> are
> > > the same, (e.g. keypads, brail readers )  not all systems are the
same,
> > > (e.g. voice browsers, screen magnifiers)  and not all  people are the
> > same.
> > > (From the visually impaired, low motor coordination, to the learning
> > > disabled, what make you unique?) In implementing the guidelines one
must
> > > attempt to cater for the maximum number of people in the maximum
number
> of
> > > scenarios. This can be achieved though a single accessible rendering
or
> > > multiple accessible renderings that are optimized for different
> > situations.
> > > </this is it>
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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