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Re: Shorter and more URGENT

From: Judy Brewer <jbrewer@w3.org>
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 18:07:31 -0400
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To: w3c-wai-eo@w3.org, ij@w3.org, dd@w3.org, chisholm@trace.wisc.edu, po@trace.wisc.edu
Charles, 

It hasn't gone to the printers yet, partly because of this. Please see my
most recent comment, with status; and also Ian and Daniel's comments
regarding this interpretation of the use of NOFRAMES. If the argument is
that you think this is the way the guidelines _should_ read, and therefore
we should put it on the card, then we're going beyond the bounds of what we
should do with the Quick Tips. That's how I read this:

CMN: >Basically I think noframes should be used to provide good quality
access to
>framesets in non-serial media.

If I'm on target there, then our hope for consensus is either with an
abbreviated conditional, if people agree to my recent proposal: 

JB PROPOSAL #2: "Frames: Use _title_ or _name_, and NOFRAMES if complex."

...or to default to the original text on the card, given that time
constraints are requiring us to be conservative on changes-- e.g. no change
in the material except where there is strong consensus. Can you
specifically comment on whether you thought there was something _incorrect_
with the use of "label" in the phrase on the card "Frames: Label with the
_title_ or _name_ attribute" or was your concern w/ labeling them w/ title
or name...?

CMN: >simply labelling them is a very bad
>practice, which excludes accessibility in non-frames capable browsers 

...or at least confirm whether the "good enough" in your last message was
regarding JB PROPOSAL #2 or the original text on the card.

And other folks reading this this weekend still need to comment on JB
PROPOSAL #2, please... 

Thanks,

- Judy

At 05:40 PM 7/16/99 -0400, you wrote:
>For waht it's worth (I assume that this lot have gone to the printer now) I
>would prefer to have 
>
>8. Frames: Title frames meaningfully and use _noframes_.
>
>Basically I think noframes should be used to provide good quality access to
>framesets in non-serial media.
>
>I would also suggest
>
>10. Validate: Use avaluation tools, guidelines, checklist http:// etc
>
>However I am definitiel of the opinion that the value of the quicktips card
>is more in spreading the message than getting it perfectly accurate - I think
>there is no chance of doing the latter, but that it is an extremely useful
>reminder anyway.
>
>Charles McCN
>
>On Fri, 16 Jul 1999, Judy Brewer wrote:
>
>  VOTES PLEASE!
>  
>  Two items to look at new solutions on; see compiled threads on my last
>  e-mail for background.
>  
>  8. Frames. Title frames, and provide _NOFRAMES_ equivalent.
>  
>  10. Check your work. Use evaluation tools, guidelines and checklist
>  www.w3.org/TR/WAI-WEBCONTENT
>  
>  - Judy
>  
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>  Judy Brewer    jbrewer@w3.org    +1.617.258.9741    http://www.w3.org/WAI
>  Director, Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) International Program Office
>  World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)
>  MIT/LCS Room NE43-355, 545 Technology Square, Cambridge, MA,  02139,  USA
>  
>
>--Charles McCathieNevile            mailto:charles@w3.org
>phone: +1 617 258 0992   http://www.w3.org/People/Charles
>W3C Web Accessibility Initiative    http://www.w3.org/WAI
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>
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Judy Brewer    jbrewer@w3.org    +1.617.258.9741    http://www.w3.org/WAI
Director, Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) International Program Office
World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)
MIT/LCS Room NE43-355, 545 Technology Square, Cambridge, MA,  02139,  USA
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