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Re: Shorter and more URGENT

From: Karl Hebenstreit, Jr. <karlhjr@home.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 21:39:51 -0400
Message-ID: <378FDEE6.228025B7@home.com>
To: Judy Brewer <jbrewer@w3.org>
CC: w3c-wai-eo@w3.org, ij@w3.org, dd@w3.org, chisholm@trace.wisc.edu, po@trace.wisc.edu
KH:  I support JB Proposal #2

Judy Brewer wrote:

> Charles,
>
> It hasn't gone to the printers yet, partly because of this. Please see my
> most recent comment, with status; and also Ian and Daniel's comments
> regarding this interpretation of the use of NOFRAMES. If the argument is
> that you think this is the way the guidelines _should_ read, and therefore
> we should put it on the card, then we're going beyond the bounds of what we
> should do with the Quick Tips. That's how I read this:
>
> CMN: >Basically I think noframes should be used to provide good quality
> access to
> >framesets in non-serial media.
>
> If I'm on target there, then our hope for consensus is either with an
> abbreviated conditional, if people agree to my recent proposal:
>
> JB PROPOSAL #2: "Frames: Use _title_ or _name_, and NOFRAMES if complex."
>
> ...or to default to the original text on the card, given that time
> constraints are requiring us to be conservative on changes-- e.g. no change
> in the material except where there is strong consensus. Can you
> specifically comment on whether you thought there was something _incorrect_
> with the use of "label" in the phrase on the card "Frames: Label with the
> _title_ or _name_ attribute" or was your concern w/ labeling them w/ title
> or name...?
>
> CMN: >simply labelling them is a very bad
> >practice, which excludes accessibility in non-frames capable browsers
>
> ...or at least confirm whether the "good enough" in your last message was
> regarding JB PROPOSAL #2 or the original text on the card.
>
> And other folks reading this this weekend still need to comment on JB
> PROPOSAL #2, please...
>
> Thanks,
>
> - Judy
>
> At 05:40 PM 7/16/99 -0400, you wrote:
> >For waht it's worth (I assume that this lot have gone to the printer now) I
> >would prefer to have
> >
> >8. Frames: Title frames meaningfully and use _noframes_.
> >
> >Basically I think noframes should be used to provide good quality access to
> >framesets in non-serial media.
> >
> >I would also suggest
> >
> >10. Validate: Use avaluation tools, guidelines, checklist http:// etc
> >
> >However I am definitiel of the opinion that the value of the quicktips card
> >is more in spreading the message than getting it perfectly accurate - I think
> >there is no chance of doing the latter, but that it is an extremely useful
> >reminder anyway.
> >
> >Charles McCN
> >
> >On Fri, 16 Jul 1999, Judy Brewer wrote:
> >
> >  VOTES PLEASE!
> >
> >  Two items to look at new solutions on; see compiled threads on my last
> >  e-mail for background.
> >
> >  8. Frames. Title frames, and provide _NOFRAMES_ equivalent.
> >
> >  10. Check your work. Use evaluation tools, guidelines and checklist
> >  www.w3.org/TR/WAI-WEBCONTENT
> >
> >  - Judy
> >
> >  ----------
> >  Judy Brewer    jbrewer@w3.org    +1.617.258.9741    http://www.w3.org/WAI
> >  Director, Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) International Program Office
> >  World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)
> >  MIT/LCS Room NE43-355, 545 Technology Square, Cambridge, MA,  02139,  USA
> >
> >
> >--Charles McCathieNevile            mailto:charles@w3.org
> >phone: +1 617 258 0992   http://www.w3.org/People/Charles
> >W3C Web Accessibility Initiative    http://www.w3.org/WAI
> >MIT/LCS  -  545 Technology sq., Cambridge MA, 02139,  USA
> >
> ----------
> Judy Brewer    jbrewer@w3.org    +1.617.258.9741    http://www.w3.org/WAI
> Director, Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) International Program Office
> World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)
> MIT/LCS Room NE43-355, 545 Technology Square, Cambridge, MA,  02139,  USA
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