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From: Ian Jacobs <ij@w3.org>
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 17:36:21 -0500
To: Axel Dahmen <brille1@hotmail.com>
Message-Id: <54344EEF-F5A1-4262-9F4F-A15C173A9461@w3.org>
Cc: site-comments@w3.org

On 23 May 2010, at 6:16 AM, Axel Dahmen wrote:

> Hello Ian,
>
> just to get back to the situation I'm observing:
>
> Although I have published a detailed spec on improving the  
> JavaScript binding for XPath in the DOM mailing list a long time ago  
> I didn't even receive any response indicating that anyone has read  
> my comments on that. I understand that the different W3C groups may  
> have different priorities, but I would expect to have at least one  
> front-desk person available who informs me about where my issues  
> have been forwarded to and how they are being dealt with. For  
> example, Microsoft Connect and Microsoft Forums work this way.
>
> Same for my CSS discussions: The last comment I received was on  
> March 30th.
>> From that day on a long-taking break occurred which lasts until now  
>> although
> we had been up to five persons vividly discussing this. From one day  
> to the other suddenly no-one replied anymore. And now I don't know  
> what the current status of this discussion is. Will there be follow- 
> ups? Is there just a two-month period of banking holidays?
>
> This is very frustrating.

Hi Axel,

I'm seeking some additional feedback internally. I expect to get back  
to you before the end of the week.

  _ Ian

>
> Cheers,
> Axel Dahmen
> www.axeldahmen.de
>
>
>
> ------------------
> "Ian Jacobs" <ij@w3.org> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:0039AA7B-DC5D-4093-9DCF-607BE3BC5D0A@w3.org 
> ...
>>
>> On 2 May 2010, at 6:36 AM, Axel Dahmen wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, Ian,
>>>
>>> thanks fr replying.
>>>
>>> Yes, you are right, the HTML group was quite responsive, right as   
>>> the CSS group was. But from one day to the other I didn't get any   
>>> further replies. In no mailing-list or whatsoever.
>>
>> Hi Alex,
>>
>> I don't exactly know how the HTML WG responds to issues that are  
>> being tracked in bugzilla. I had assumed that when an issue was   
>> "closed" (for some definition of "closed") that the commenter  
>> would  receive notice.
>>
>>> Particularly my comments/proposal on the DOM XPath JavaScript   
>>> binding and on Frames Through CSS seem a very important issue to  
>>> me,  because I believe they take programming in these contexts one  
>>> step  ahead.
>>>
>>> Currently I have the feeling that anything I write ends up either  
>>> in  a Junk folder or in some killing file. The Bugzilla  
>>> application on  HTML5 is the only channel I believe I can trust to  
>>> track back my  content.
>>
>> On the HTML WG home page:
>>  http://www.w3.org/html/wg/
>>
>> I see both "bugzilla" and "tracker"; so tracker may offer a way to   
>> follow progress as well:
>>  http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/
>>
>> You may wish to write to the Team contact (Mike Smith  
>> <mike@w3.org>)  for more information about how to track your  
>> suggestions.
>>
>> _ Ian
>>
>>>
>>> (I have requested GMANE to add the site-comments mailing list to  
>>> its newsgroup archive. As soon as the group exists there I will  
>>> continue from there. I can better read/respond from a threaded  
>>> environment.)
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Axel Dahmen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---- Am Do, 29 Apr 2010 05:36:11 -0700 Ian Jacobs <ij@w3.org>   
>>> schrieb ----
>>>
>>>> On 29 Apr 2010, at 1:12 AM, Axel Dahmen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> To whom it may concern,
>>>>>
>>>>> on the W3C website it says "Participate - W3C invites the public  
>>>>> to
>>>>> participate in W3C via discussion lists, events, blogs,
>>>>> translations, and other means described below."
>>>>>
>>>>> After unsuccessfully trying to constructively participate in the  
>>>>> CSS
>>>>> and DOM mailing lists I now don't believe that the above claim is
>>>>> actually lived.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have made a few contributions pointing to missing features in
>>>>> existing standards and trying to enhance upcoming standards. Yet I
>>>>> don't get a reaction on my postings.
>>>>>
>>>>> Once I had a constructive discussion in the CSS mailing list but
>>>>> that ceased from one day to another. My contributions to the DOM  
>>>>> are
>>>>> plainly disregarded.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is very frustrating, particularly because my contributions  
>>>>> are
>>>>> not junk I just throw into public. For most of them I have been
>>>>> revising and researching the background to my comments for  
>>>>> almost a
>>>>> week.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Is ignoring contributions the way the W3C understands the term
>>>>> "participate"?
>>>>>
>>>>> Your response is highly appreciated. Even to this e-mail.
>>>>
>>>> Hello Axel,
>>>>
>>>> I've looked around the archives a bit. For instance, I see a  
>>>> response
>>>> from the HTML WG editor regarding one of your proposals:
>>>> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9337
>>>>
>>>> And I see a discussion here:
>>>> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6155
>>>>
>>>> And here:
>>>> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9235
>>>>
>>>> I have not looked at all of the threads on which you participated  
>>>> or
>>>> sent ideas (and I have not looked for comments related to the Dom).
>>>> But I do see discussion and contributions from a variety of  
>>>> people on
>>>> the list. For the comments I looked at, your suggestions were not
>>>> simply ignored. It does look like the HTML WG has not taken them  
>>>> up.
>>>> That is a separate matter, and I do understand that that WG has  
>>>> a  high
>>>> bar for accepting proposals, from people formally in the WG or   
>>>> anybody
>>>> else.
>>>>
>>>> The HTML WG adopted a decision policy in November 2009 [1]. I  
>>>> believe
>>>> that the policy sets the expectation that the Editor will make a
>>>> certain number of decisions on behalf of the group, and if those  
>>>> who
>>>> send comments are not satisfied with the Editor's decision, there  
>>>> is
>>>> an escalation process to the WG. I have not researched whether you
>>>> have pursued the escalation path.
>>>>
>>>> _ Ian
>>>>
>>>> [1] http://dev.w3.org/html5/decision-policy/decision-policy.html
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yours, sincerely,
>>>>> Axel Dahmen
>>>>> www.axeldahmen.de
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Ian Jacobs (ij@w3.org) http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs/
>>>> Tel: +1 718 260 9447
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Ian Jacobs (ij@w3.org) http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs/
>> Tel:                                      +1 718 260 9447
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

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Tel:                                      +1 718 260 9447
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