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Re: Participating in W3C Standards Development‏

From: Axel Dahmen <brille1@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 13:16:03 +0200
To: site-comments@w3.org
Message-ID: <htb2pm$biv$1@dough.gmane.org>
Hello Ian,

just to get back to the situation I'm observing:

Although I have published a detailed spec on improving the JavaScript 
binding for XPath in the DOM mailing list a long time ago I didn't even 
receive any response indicating that anyone has read my comments on that. I 
understand that the different W3C groups may have different priorities, but 
I would expect to have at least one front-desk person available who informs 
me about where my issues have been forwarded to and how they are being dealt 
with. For example, Microsoft Connect and Microsoft Forums work this way.

Same for my CSS discussions: The last comment I received was on March 30th. 
>From that day on a long-taking break occurred which lasts until now although 
we had been up to five persons vividly discussing this. From one day to the 
other suddenly no-one replied anymore. And now I don't know what the current 
status of this discussion is. Will there be follow-ups? Is there just a 
two-month period of banking holidays?

This is very frustrating.

Cheers,
Axel Dahmen
www.axeldahmen.de



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"Ian Jacobs" <ij@w3.org> schrieb im Newsbeitrag 
news:0039AA7B-DC5D-4093-9DCF-607BE3BC5D0A@w3.org...
>
> On 2 May 2010, at 6:36 AM, Axel Dahmen wrote:
>
>> Hi, Ian,
>>
>> thanks für replying.
>>
>> Yes, you are right, the HTML group was quite responsive, right as  the 
>> CSS group was. But from one day to the other I didn't get any  further 
>> replies. In no mailing-list or whatsoever.
>
> Hi Alex,
>
> I don't exactly know how the HTML WG responds to issues that are being 
> tracked in bugzilla. I had assumed that when an issue was  "closed" (for 
> some definition of "closed") that the commenter would  receive notice.
>
>> Particularly my comments/proposal on the DOM XPath JavaScript  binding 
>> and on Frames Through CSS seem a very important issue to me,  because I 
>> believe they take programming in these contexts one step  ahead.
>>
>> Currently I have the feeling that anything I write ends up either in  a 
>> Junk folder or in some killing file. The Bugzilla application on  HTML5 
>> is the only channel I believe I can trust to track back my  content.
>
> On the HTML WG home page:
>   http://www.w3.org/html/wg/
>
> I see both "bugzilla" and "tracker"; so tracker may offer a way to  follow 
> progress as well:
>   http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/
>
> You may wish to write to the Team contact (Mike Smith 
> <mike@w3.org>)  for more information about how to 
> track your suggestions.
>
>  _ Ian
>
>>
>> (I have requested GMANE to add the site-comments mailing list to its 
>> newsgroup archive. As soon as the group exists there I will continue 
>> from there. I can better read/respond from a threaded environment.)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Axel Dahmen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---- Am Do, 29 Apr 2010 05:36:11 -0700 Ian Jacobs 
>> <ij@w3.org>  schrieb ----
>>
>>> On 29 Apr 2010, at 1:12 AM, Axel Dahmen wrote:
>>>
>>>> To whom it may concern,
>>>>
>>>> on the W3C website it says "Participate - W3C invites the public to
>>>> participate in W3C via discussion lists, events, blogs,
>>>> translations, and other means described below."
>>>>
>>>> After unsuccessfully trying to constructively participate in the CSS
>>>> and DOM mailing lists I now don't believe that the above claim is
>>>> actually lived.
>>>>
>>>> I have made a few contributions pointing to missing features in
>>>> existing standards and trying to enhance upcoming standards. Yet I
>>>> don't get a reaction on my postings.
>>>>
>>>> Once I had a constructive discussion in the CSS mailing list but
>>>> that ceased from one day to another. My contributions to the DOM are
>>>> plainly disregarded.
>>>>
>>>> This is very frustrating, particularly because my contributions are
>>>> not junk I just throw into public. For most of them I have been
>>>> revising and researching the background to my comments for almost a
>>>> week.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is ignoring contributions the way the W3C understands the term
>>>> "participate"?
>>>>
>>>> Your response is highly appreciated. Even to this e-mail.
>>>
>>> Hello Axel,
>>>
>>> I've looked around the archives a bit. For instance, I see a response
>>> from the HTML WG editor regarding one of your proposals:
>>> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9337
>>>
>>> And I see a discussion here:
>>> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6155
>>>
>>> And here:
>>> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9235
>>>
>>> I have not looked at all of the threads on which you participated or
>>> sent ideas (and I have not looked for comments related to the Dom).
>>> But I do see discussion and contributions from a variety of people on
>>> the list. For the comments I looked at, your suggestions were not
>>> simply ignored. It does look like the HTML WG has not taken them up.
>>> That is a separate matter, and I do understand that that WG has a  high
>>> bar for accepting proposals, from people formally in the WG or  anybody
>>> else.
>>>
>>> The HTML WG adopted a decision policy in November 2009 [1]. I believe
>>> that the policy sets the expectation that the Editor will make a
>>> certain number of decisions on behalf of the group, and if those who
>>> send comments are not satisfied with the Editor's decision, there is
>>> an escalation process to the WG. I have not researched whether you
>>> have pursued the escalation path.
>>>
>>> _ Ian
>>>
>>> [1] http://dev.w3.org/html5/decision-policy/decision-policy.html
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yours, sincerely,
>>>> Axel Dahmen
>>>> www.axeldahmen.de
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Ian Jacobs (ij@w3.org) 
>>> http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs/
>>> Tel: +1 718 260 9447
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Ian Jacobs (ij@w3.org) 
> http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs/
> Tel:                                      +1 718 260 9447
>
>
> 
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