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Re: Participating in W3C Standards Development‏

From: Axel Dahmen <brille1@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 12:06:02 +0200
To: site-comments@w3.org
Message-ID: <httdak$i96$1@dough.gmane.org>
Thanks, Ian. I'm looking forward to your findings.

Cheers,
Axel Dahmen





"Ian Jacobs" <ij@w3.org> schrieb im Newsbeitrag 
news:54344EEF-F5A1-4262-9F4F-A15C173A9461@w3.org...
>
> On 23 May 2010, at 6:16 AM, Axel Dahmen wrote:
>
>> Hello Ian,
>>
>> just to get back to the situation I'm observing:
>>
>> Although I have published a detailed spec on improving the  JavaScript 
>> binding for XPath in the DOM mailing list a long time ago  I didn't even 
>> receive any response indicating that anyone has read  my comments on 
>> that. I understand that the different W3C groups may  have different 
>> priorities, but I would expect to have at least one  front-desk person 
>> available who informs me about where my issues  have been forwarded to 
>> and how they are being dealt with. For  example, Microsoft Connect and 
>> Microsoft Forums work this way.
>>
>> Same for my CSS discussions: The last comment I received was on  March 
>> 30th.
>>> From that day on a long-taking break occurred which lasts until now 
>>> although
>> we had been up to five persons vividly discussing this. From one day  to 
>> the other suddenly no-one replied anymore. And now I don't know  what the 
>> current status of this discussion is. Will there be follow- ups? Is there 
>> just a two-month period of banking holidays?
>>
>> This is very frustrating.
>
> Hi Axel,
>
> I'm seeking some additional feedback internally. I expect to get back  to 
> you before the end of the week.
>
>  _ Ian
>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Axel Dahmen
>> www.axeldahmen.de
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------
>> "Ian Jacobs" <ij@w3.org> schrieb im Newsbeitrag 
>> news:0039AA7B-DC5D-4093-9DCF-607BE3BC5D0A@w3.org 
>> ...
>>>
>>> On 2 May 2010, at 6:36 AM, Axel Dahmen wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi, Ian,
>>>>
>>>> thanks für replying.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, you are right, the HTML group was quite responsive, right as   the 
>>>> CSS group was. But from one day to the other I didn't get any   further 
>>>> replies. In no mailing-list or whatsoever.
>>>
>>> Hi Alex,
>>>
>>> I don't exactly know how the HTML WG responds to issues that are  being 
>>> tracked in bugzilla. I had assumed that when an issue was   "closed" 
>>> (for some definition of "closed") that the commenter  would  receive 
>>> notice.
>>>
>>>> Particularly my comments/proposal on the DOM XPath JavaScript   binding 
>>>> and on Frames Through CSS seem a very important issue to  me,  because 
>>>> I believe they take programming in these contexts one  step  ahead.
>>>>
>>>> Currently I have the feeling that anything I write ends up either  in 
>>>> a Junk folder or in some killing file. The Bugzilla  application on 
>>>> HTML5 is the only channel I believe I can trust to  track back my 
>>>> content.
>>>
>>> On the HTML WG home page:
>>>  http://www.w3.org/html/wg/
>>>
>>> I see both "bugzilla" and "tracker"; so tracker may offer a way to 
>>> follow progress as well:
>>>  http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/
>>>
>>> You may wish to write to the Team contact (Mike Smith 
>>> <mike@w3.org>)  for more information about how to 
>>> track your  suggestions.
>>>
>>> _ Ian
>>>
>>>>
>>>> (I have requested GMANE to add the site-comments mailing list to  its 
>>>> newsgroup archive. As soon as the group exists there I will  continue 
>>>> from there. I can better read/respond from a threaded  environment.)
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Axel Dahmen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---- Am Do, 29 Apr 2010 05:36:11 -0700 Ian Jacobs 
>>>> <ij@w3.org>   schrieb ----
>>>>
>>>>> On 29 Apr 2010, at 1:12 AM, Axel Dahmen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> To whom it may concern,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> on the W3C website it says "Participate - W3C invites the public  to
>>>>>> participate in W3C via discussion lists, events, blogs,
>>>>>> translations, and other means described below."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After unsuccessfully trying to constructively participate in the  CSS
>>>>>> and DOM mailing lists I now don't believe that the above claim is
>>>>>> actually lived.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have made a few contributions pointing to missing features in
>>>>>> existing standards and trying to enhance upcoming standards. Yet I
>>>>>> don't get a reaction on my postings.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Once I had a constructive discussion in the CSS mailing list but
>>>>>> that ceased from one day to another. My contributions to the DOM  are
>>>>>> plainly disregarded.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is very frustrating, particularly because my contributions  are
>>>>>> not junk I just throw into public. For most of them I have been
>>>>>> revising and researching the background to my comments for  almost a
>>>>>> week.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is ignoring contributions the way the W3C understands the term
>>>>>> "participate"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your response is highly appreciated. Even to this e-mail.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Axel,
>>>>>
>>>>> I've looked around the archives a bit. For instance, I see a  response
>>>>> from the HTML WG editor regarding one of your proposals:
>>>>> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9337
>>>>>
>>>>> And I see a discussion here:
>>>>> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6155
>>>>>
>>>>> And here:
>>>>> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9235
>>>>>
>>>>> I have not looked at all of the threads on which you participated  or
>>>>> sent ideas (and I have not looked for comments related to the Dom).
>>>>> But I do see discussion and contributions from a variety of  people on
>>>>> the list. For the comments I looked at, your suggestions were not
>>>>> simply ignored. It does look like the HTML WG has not taken them  up.
>>>>> That is a separate matter, and I do understand that that WG has  a 
>>>>> high
>>>>> bar for accepting proposals, from people formally in the WG or 
>>>>> anybody
>>>>> else.
>>>>>
>>>>> The HTML WG adopted a decision policy in November 2009 [1]. I  believe
>>>>> that the policy sets the expectation that the Editor will make a
>>>>> certain number of decisions on behalf of the group, and if those  who
>>>>> send comments are not satisfied with the Editor's decision, there  is
>>>>> an escalation process to the WG. I have not researched whether you
>>>>> have pursued the escalation path.
>>>>>
>>>>> _ Ian
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] http://dev.w3.org/html5/decision-policy/decision-policy.html
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yours, sincerely,
>>>>>> Axel Dahmen
>>>>>> www.axeldahmen.de
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Ian Jacobs (ij@w3.org) 
>>>>> http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs/
>>>>> Tel: +1 718 260 9447
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ian Jacobs (ij@w3.org) 
>>> http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs/
>>> Tel:                                      +1 718 260 9447
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Ian Jacobs (ij@w3.org) 
> http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs/
> Tel:                                      +1 718 260 9447
>
>
> 
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