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Re: Re: Re: Disaster management ontologies?

From: Leonid Ototsky <leo@mgn.ru>
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:34:23 +0600
Message-ID: <2310431309.20070420123423@mgn.ru>
To: "Azamat" <abdoul@cytanet.com.cy>
CC: "'SW-forum'" <semantic-web@w3.org>, timbl@w3.org

Azamat,
> AA: Certainly, it will be only to good account. The mater is too significant
> to be only under the SW community umbrella. But to unite all the intelligent
> labour ( as it happens with the world proletariat), one need a great
> unifying idea of global ontology (as it is communism), of course, promted
> with goodwill.

Suppose such "unifing idea" is the VSM of Stafford Beer :-)
At the System 5 level of the VSM he uses the McCulloch's idea of the
 "Redundancy of Potential Command" . It is priniple for a
 "globalization" of "Horisontal Communications" . A principle new
 possibilities for this give the Web ! Therefore now there must be a
 new wave of interest to the Beer's heritage.
 I have organized already a communication of the VSM community not
 only with common ONTOLOGY community but with the leader of the
 EPISTLE Core Model - Matthew West. The both correspondents live in
 London.

 Leonid
 

Вы писали 18 апреля 2007 г., 1:25:53:


> Hi, Leonid,

> You have a good point. But to start any large-scale ontology application
> projects, like SW, all the stakeholders need first to decide the principal
> 'ideological' issue [as we always had been learnt in the USSR's times]:
> EITHER
> 1.To encode human learning (on key changes in the world, e.g., global risks,
> disasters) in diverse upper and specific logical ontologies using different
> formal representation and reasoning languages;
> OR
> 2. To encode human knowledge (on key changes in the world, e.g., global
> risks, disasters) in a single dynamic global ontology using a unifying
> representation language of reality.

> See my other comments interspersed.
> Regards,
> Azamat Abdoullaev

>     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leonid Ototsky" <leo@mgn.ru>
> To: "Azamat Abdoullaev" <abdoul@cytanet.com.cy>
> Cc: <semantic-web@w3.org>; "Tim Berners-Lee" <timbl@w3.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 7:36 PM
> Subject: Re: Re: Disaster management ontologies?



>  Azamat ,
>  Suppose it is very important ! As first steps it will be good to
>  organize close communications with another communities around.
> For example with the ONTOLOG community which activity is around Upper
>  Ontologies - http://ontolog.cim3.net/.

> AA: That's my proposal as well, to pull all the resources, intellectual and
> financial, regardless which team you are playing for. But just think how to
> do this devilish job if the number of the ontology-concerned communities as
> various as:
> Formal ontology communities;
>     Semantic Web communities;
>     Linguistic communities;
>     Concept Map community;
>     Topic Map community;
>     SEARCH communities;
>     Web 2.0 communities;
>     Thesauri community;
>     Taxonomy communities;
>     Metadata communities;
>     XML communities;
>     Applications Development, Software Engineering and Information Model
> communities;
>     System Architecture communities;
>     Biomedical communities;
>     Standards Development communities;
>     Other
> Accordinly, you meet many idiosyncratic interpretations of ontology: of 53
> OntologySummit 2007 Survey individual responses, only few interpetations
> seem close to reality, ''a conceptual and semantic model of reality' (PDM)
> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2007_Survey.

>  They have already a reference to the Stafford Beer community (VSM)
> 
> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?RelevantEventsOfInterest2007
>  (see 9-10 of March). Suppose it will be helpful  for the Semantic-Web
>  community to have close communications with VSM community too.!
>  http://cybernetics-society.wikispaces.com/

> AA: Certainly, it will be only to good account. The mater is too significant
> to be only under the SW community umbrella. But to unite all the intelligent
> labour ( as it happens with the world proletariat), one need a great
> unifying idea of global ontology (as it is communism), of course, promted
> with goodwill.

>  Best,
>  Leonid Otosky - http://ototsky.mgn.ru/it
>  -

> Вы писали 18 апреля 2007 г., 3:16:07:


>> To: Tim Berners-Lee and to whom it may concern,


>>  On this life-or-death issue, there is a useful review made by Paola Di
>>  Maio: 'An Open Ontology for Open Source Emergency Response System',
>> http://opensource.mit.edu/papers/TOWARDS_AN_OPEN_ONTOLOGY_FOR_ER.pdf

>>  But more integrative approach to the matter has been proposed by the
>> World
>>  Economic Forum Global Risk Network, where  cataclysmic events as 
>> disasters
>>  and catastrophes fall into an interconnected network of global risks,
>> such
>>  as environmental, economic, geopolitical, societal, and technological:
>>  www.weforum.org/pdf/CSI/Global_Risks_2007.pdf.

>>  IMHO, to integrate human knowledge and understanding on existing and
>>  possible risks (hazards, dangers, or perils) of planetary significance,
>> we
>>  rather need to pull all the resources for building a Global Risk 
>> Management
>>  System, driven by a global risk management ontology with predictive
>> causal
>> mechanisms. I believe this crucial research project needs a collaborative
>> network of research organizations, government institutions, NGOs,
>> think-tanks, international bodies, and advanced IT businesses, led both by
>> an ontology luminary and technology celebrity . This trans-national
>> research
>> network can start as a Quality Consortium within a FP7 Cooperation program
>> in the area of Information and Communication Technologies.

>> with respects,
>>  Azamat Abdoullaev
>> EIS Encyclopedic Intelligent Systems LTD
>> http://www.eis.com.cy

>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Tim Berners-Lee" <timbl@w3.org>
>>> To: "SW-forum" <semantic-web@w3.org>
>>> Cc: "Jim Hendler" <hendler@cs.umd.edu>
>>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 4:01 AM
>>> Subject: Disaster management ontologies?
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I had an exciting visit from the students in Sri Lanka who had just
>>>> received an award for their open source disaster management system,
>>>> Sahana.
>>>> http://www.sahana.lk/
>>>>
>>>> Discussing their system, which has just received a Free Software
>>>> Foundation award, I remembered many conversations about the 
>>>> desirability
>>>> for wide interoperability in emergence and disaster  situations.
>>>>
>>>> I suggested the Sahana folks provide RDF feeds of, for example,  missing
>>>> persons, found persons, shelters, relive groups and resources on the
>>>> ground, and other things they track.
>>>>
>>>> I started a wiki page to capture a little of this
>>>> http://esw.w3.org/topic/DisasterManagement
>>>> which is like all wikis open to additions!
>>>>
>>>> It is missing, I imagine,  many pointers to government efforts.
>>>>
>>>> If you know of activity around disaster management technology which
>>>> could
>>>> possible be involved in or shed light on this, then please mail
>>>> ivan@w3.org or add it to the wiki.
>>>>
>>>> A possible next step would be an Incubator Group (XG) for a diaster
>>>> management ontology development.
>>>>
>>>> Disaster response is much about preparedness. If much relevant data  is
>>>> available in RDF, when a disaster strikes, those on the ground and
>>>> across
>>>> the world will be able to use it to know what best to do to respond.
>>>>
>>>> Tim Berners-Lee
>>>>
>>>>
>>>









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С уважением,
 Leonid                          mailto:leo@mgn.ru
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