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Re: Re: Disaster management ontologies?

From: Azamat <abdoul@cytanet.com.cy>
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 22:25:53 +0300
Message-ID: <002801c78126$37ba11f0$a70c7d0a@homepc>
To: "leo" <leo@mgn.ru>
Cc: "'SW-forum'" <semantic-web@w3.org>, <timbl@w3.org>

Hi, Leonid,

You have a good point. But to start any large-scale ontology application 
projects, like SW, all the stakeholders need first to decide the principal 
'ideological' issue [as we always had been learnt in the USSR's times]:
EITHER
1.To encode human learning (on key changes in the world, e.g., global risks, 
disasters) in diverse upper and specific logical ontologies using different 
formal representation and reasoning languages;
OR
2. To encode human knowledge (on key changes in the world, e.g., global 
risks, disasters) in a single dynamic global ontology using a unifying 
representation language of reality.

See my other comments interspersed.
Regards,
Azamat Abdoullaev

    ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leonid Ototsky" <leo@mgn.ru>
To: "Azamat Abdoullaev" <abdoul@cytanet.com.cy>
Cc: <semantic-web@w3.org>; "Tim Berners-Lee" <timbl@w3.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Disaster management ontologies?



 Azamat ,
 Suppose it is very important ! As first steps it will be good to
 organize close communications with another communities around.
For example with the ONTOLOG community which activity is around Upper
 Ontologies - http://ontolog.cim3.net/.

AA: That's my proposal as well, to pull all the resources, intellectual and 
financial, regardless which team you are playing for. But just think how to 
do this devilish job if the number of the ontology-concerned communities as 
various as:
Formal ontology communities;
    Semantic Web communities;
    Linguistic communities;
    Concept Map community;
    Topic Map community;
    SEARCH communities;
    Web 2.0 communities;
    Thesauri community;
    Taxonomy communities;
    Metadata communities;
    XML communities;
    Applications Development, Software Engineering and Information Model 
communities;
    System Architecture communities;
    Biomedical communities;
    Standards Development communities;
    Other
Accordinly, you meet many idiosyncratic interpretations of ontology: of 53 
OntologySummit 2007 Survey individual responses, only few interpetations 
seem close to reality, ''a conceptual and semantic model of reality' (PDM) 
http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2007_Survey.

 They have already a reference to the Stafford Beer community (VSM)
 http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?RelevantEventsOfInterest2007
 (see 9-10 of March). Suppose it will be helpful  for the Semantic-Web
 community to have close communications with VSM community too.!
 http://cybernetics-society.wikispaces.com/

AA: Certainly, it will be only to good account. The mater is too significant 
to be only under the SW community umbrella. But to unite all the intelligent 
labour ( as it happens with the world proletariat), one need a great 
unifying idea of global ontology (as it is communism), of course, promted 
with goodwill.

 Best,
 Leonid Otosky - http://ototsky.mgn.ru/it
 -

Вы писали 18 апреля 2007 г., 3:16:07:


> To: Tim Berners-Lee and to whom it may concern,


>  On this life-or-death issue, there is a useful review made by Paola Di
>  Maio: 'An Open Ontology for Open Source Emergency Response System',
> http://opensource.mit.edu/papers/TOWARDS_AN_OPEN_ONTOLOGY_FOR_ER.pdf

>  But more integrative approach to the matter has been proposed by the 
> World
>  Economic Forum Global Risk Network, where  cataclysmic events as 
> disasters
>  and catastrophes fall into an interconnected network of global risks, 
> such
>  as environmental, economic, geopolitical, societal, and technological:
>  www.weforum.org/pdf/CSI/Global_Risks_2007.pdf.

>  IMHO, to integrate human knowledge and understanding on existing and
>  possible risks (hazards, dangers, or perils) of planetary significance, 
> we
>  rather need to pull all the resources for building a Global Risk 
> Management
>  System, driven by a global risk management ontology with predictive 
> causal
> mechanisms. I believe this crucial research project needs a collaborative
> network of research organizations, government institutions, NGOs,
> think-tanks, international bodies, and advanced IT businesses, led both by
> an ontology luminary and technology celebrity . This trans-national 
> research
> network can start as a Quality Consortium within a FP7 Cooperation program
> in the area of Information and Communication Technologies.

> with respects,
>  Azamat Abdoullaev
> EIS Encyclopedic Intelligent Systems LTD
> http://www.eis.com.cy

>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Tim Berners-Lee" <timbl@w3.org>
>> To: "SW-forum" <semantic-web@w3.org>
>> Cc: "Jim Hendler" <hendler@cs.umd.edu>
>> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 4:01 AM
>> Subject: Disaster management ontologies?
>>
>>
>>>
>>> I had an exciting visit from the students in Sri Lanka who had just
>>> received an award for their open source disaster management system,
>>> Sahana.
>>> http://www.sahana.lk/
>>>
>>> Discussing their system, which has just received a Free Software
>>> Foundation award, I remembered many conversations about the 
>>> desirability
>>> for wide interoperability in emergence and disaster  situations.
>>>
>>> I suggested the Sahana folks provide RDF feeds of, for example,  missing
>>> persons, found persons, shelters, relive groups and resources on the
>>> ground, and other things they track.
>>>
>>> I started a wiki page to capture a little of this
>>> http://esw.w3.org/topic/DisasterManagement
>>> which is like all wikis open to additions!
>>>
>>> It is missing, I imagine,  many pointers to government efforts.
>>>
>>> If you know of activity around disaster management technology which
>>> could
>>> possible be involved in or shed light on this, then please mail
>>> ivan@w3.org or add it to the wiki.
>>>
>>> A possible next step would be an Incubator Group (XG) for a diaster
>>> management ontology development.
>>>
>>> Disaster response is much about preparedness. If much relevant data  is
>>> available in RDF, when a disaster strikes, those on the ground and
>>> across
>>> the world will be able to use it to know what best to do to  respond.
>>>
>>> Tim Berners-Lee
>>>
>>>
>>






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С уважением,
 Leonid                          mailto:leo@mgn.ru
Received on Tuesday, 17 April 2007 19:29:21 GMT

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