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RE: [MMSEM-Vocabulary] Request for contribution (audio vocabularies)

From: VassilisTzouvaras <tzouvaras@image.ntua.gr>
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 16:35:31 +0200
Message-Id: <200611271435.kAREZVg5013494@manolito.image.ece.ntua.gr>
To: "'Hausenblas, Michael'" <michael.hausenblas@joanneum.at>
Cc: "'MMSem-XG Public List'" <public-xg-mmsem@w3.org>

Michael,

You are right; we can further discuss it in the f2f.

Regards,
Vassilis

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hausenblas, Michael [mailto:michael.hausenblas@joanneum.at]
> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 10:38 PM
> To: VassilisTzouvaras
> Cc: MMSem-XG Public List
> Subject: RE: [MMSEM-Vocabulary] Request for contribution (audio
vocabularies)
> 
> Vassilis, All,
> 
> I see your point - a very valid one, indeed. Now, when we start to raise
new
> issues w.r.t. vocabularies,
> we could either continue to let the Voc-page grow (e.g. using sub pages
as:
> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/wiki/Vocabularies/Domain/
> <http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/wiki/Vocabularies/Domain/> )
> or we freeze it in the current state and continue the discussion at the
upcoming
> F2F meeting.
> 
> In the first case, we should think about which MM standards go into the
"core"
> (i.e. are domain-independent, as e.g. MPEG-7) and for which
> domain-dependent sub pages are set up (NewsML, CIDOC, etc.). Anyway, IMHO
> sections 3.4 and 3.5 would benefit from a cleanup.
> 
> Again, thank you Vassilis for the hint & for volunteering ;)
> 
> Cheers,
>        Michael
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>  Michael Hausenblas, MSc.
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> ________________________________
> 
> From: VassilisTzouvaras [mailto:tzouvaras@image.ntua.gr]
> Sent: Sun 2006-11-26 18:25
> To: Hausenblas, Michael; 'Oscar Celma'; 'RaphaŽl Troncy'
> Cc: 'MMSem-XG Public List'
> Subject: RE: [MMSEM-Vocabulary] Request for contribution (audio
vocabularies)
> 
> 
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> The vocabulary document includes already most of the multimedia
> vocabularies/standards. However, it doesn't cover any
vocabularies/standards
> from the digital libraries and cultural domain, which are in the scope of
> this XG. Digital libraries and culture heritage archives have their own
> standards like Cidoc-CRM, AMICO, MARC, OAI for metadata harvesting and
many
> others. These standards are in use from a large community and in the
current
> document it seems that they are not covered. Also, there has been an
effort
> to connect the XG with this community. I suggest and volunteer to cover
> these standards. We can have a section for digital libraries and cultural
> heritage archives metadata standards in the vocabulary document.
> 
> Also, I believe that we should also cover thesauri vocabularies (e.g.
SKOS,
> UNESCO) that play important role in semantic and multilingual
> interoperability.
> 
> Regards,
> Vassilis
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: public-xg-mmsem-request@w3.org [mailto:public-xg-mmsem-
> > request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Hausenblas, Michael
> > Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 12:39 AM
> > To: Oscar Celma
> > Cc: RaphaŽl Troncy; MMSem-XG Public List
> > Subject: RE: [MMSEM-Vocabulary] Request for contribution (audio
> vocabularies)
> >
> >
> > Oscar,
> >
> > I've now updated our Vocabulary page [1] w.r.t. the audio standards:
> >
> >  + removed AMG/CDDB
> >  + updated MusicBrainz
> >  + added MusicXML
> >
> > Could you please go into detail with MPEG and XMF stuff; and: I'm not so
> sure
> > how to handle the
> > Kanzaki and the Foafing vocabularies - any ideas where to put it? (sec.
5
> or sec.
> > 6)
> >
> > Looking at [2] tells me that you _indeed_ have a wiki account (at least
> you edited
> > your RDF description on 2006-11-14 with it :)
> > So, please, would you be so kind performing further changes directly on
> the Voc-
> > page [1]?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >        Michael
> >
> >
> > [1] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/wiki/Vocabularies
> > [2] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/wiki/OscarCelma
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> >  Michael Hausenblas, MSc.
> >  Institute of Information Systems & Information Management
> >  JOANNEUM RESEARCH Forschungsgesellschaft mbH
> >  Steyrergasse 17, A-8010 Graz, AUSTRIA
> >
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> >     phone: +43-316-876-1193 (fax:-1191)
> >    e-mail: michael.hausenblas@joanneum.at
> >       web: http://www.joanneum.at/iis/
> >
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> > .at/iis/>
> >
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> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: Oscar Celma [mailto:ocelma@iua.upf.edu]
> > Sent: Thu 2006-11-23 18:22
> > To: Hausenblas, Michael
> > Cc: RaphaŽl Troncy; Christian Halaschek-Wiener; MMSem-XG Public List
> > Subject: Re: [MMSEM-Vocabulary] Request for contribution (audio
> vocabularies)
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Micheal,
> >
> > Here's a long mail (I do not have a wiki account yet, so please
> > copy/paste to the wiki whatever you think is useful...)
> >
> > Hausenblas, Michael wrote:
> > > RaphaŽl, Oscar, All,
> > >
> > > 4. W.r.t. the audio MM standards IMHO a bit of expertise from Oscar
> > > would be of great help ... :)
> >  > RaphaŽl said:
> >  > "Furthermore, are "All Music Guide (AMG)", "MusicBrainz Metadata
> > Initiative 2.1" and "Compact Disc Database (CDDB)" really vocabularies
?"
> >
> > I would say neither AMG (although they have some interesting taxonomies
> > with regard to genre/styles) nor CDDB are really vocabularies.
> > In my opinion ID3 specification is not clear enough (and very wide), the
> > more concrete thing they propose is a list of genres.
> > On the other hand, MusicBrainz it is a vocabulary!
> >
> > Moreover, some of these vocabularies should be taken into account, too
> > (I've tried to add the categorization proposed whenever it was
possible):
> >
> > * Musicbrainz Schema
> > MusicBrainz defined an RDFS definition [1] (you can see the HTML output
> > at [2]). Instances in RDF are available via their query language (see
> > some results at [3]). An example of their MQ query is:
> >
> > <mq:FindAlbum>
> > <mq:depth>1</mq:depth>
> > <mq:artistName>Pink Floyd</mq:artistName>
> > <mq:albumName>Dark Side of the Moon</mq:albumName>
> > </mq:FindAlbum>
> >
> > -- Musicbrainz Discriminator/Category:
> > Representation RDF (R) / RDFS
> > Content Type audio (A)
> > Workflow production
> > Domain generic
> > Industry music
> >
> > [1] http://www.ldodds.com/projects/musicbrainz/schema/index.rdf
> > [2] http://www.ldodds.com/projects/musicbrainz/schema/mb.html
> > [3] http://musicbrainz.org/MM/mq_examples.html
> >
> > * In [4], there are lots of resources about Music Notation and XML. From
> > the list available in [4], I would like to mention:
> >
> > + MusicXML [5], by Michael Good (Recordare).
> > "Recordare has developed MusicXML technology to create an
> > Internet-friendly method of publishing musical scores, enabling
> > musicians and music fans to get more out of their online music."
> > The DTD specification is available at [6].
> >
> > -- MusicXML Discriminator/Category:
> > Representation XML (X) / DTDs
> > Content Type audio (A)
> > Workflow production
> > Domain generic
> > Industry music
> >
> > + MPEG Ad Hoc Group on Symbolic Music Representation, lead by Paolo Nesi
> > (see [7]) are working on the standarization process of music notation.
> > Don't know the current status, though.
> >
> > -- MPEG Ad Hoc Group Discriminator/Category:
> > Representation XML (X) / DTDs?
> > Content Type audio (A)
> > Workflow production
> > Domain generic
> > Industry music
> >
> > + XMF
> > The Extensible Music Format (XMF) [8] is a family of music-related file
> > formats created and administered by the MIDI Manufacturer's Association.
> > It is based on MIDI files.
> > Their goal is (quoted from the website):
> >
> > "Create an open standard file format for gathering together into a
> > single file all media assets (and/or links to external media assets)
> > required to render a MIDI note-based piece (or suite of related pieces)
> > in a computer-based player (or possibly an instrument) with consistent
> > audio playback across all players and platforms, and suited for
> > interactivity, content protection, meta-data, and the Internet - and
> > keep it simple."
> >
> > [4] http://www.oasis-open.org/cover/xmlMusic.html
> > [5] http://www.recordare.com/xml.html
> > [6] http://www.recordare.com/dtds/index.html
> > [7] http://www.interactivemusicnetwork.org/mpeg-ahg/index.html
> > [8] http://www.midi.org/about-midi/xmf/
> >
> > * Then there are other small projects/proposals such as:
> >
> > + The Kanzaki music ontlogy [9]
> > Quoted from the website:
> > "A vocabulary to describe classical music and performances. Classes
> > (categories) for musical work, event, instrument and performers, as well
> > as related properties are defined. Make sure to distinguish musical
> > works (e.g. Opera) from performance/event (Opera_Performance), or works
> > (String_Quartette) from performer (StringQuartetEnsemble in this vocab),
> > whose natural language terms are used interchangeblly. The present
> > version experiments more precise model to describe a musical work, its
> > representations (performances, scores, etc) and a musical event to
> > present a representation (a concert). Includes 30 keys as individuals."
> >
> > -- Kanzaki Music Performance ontology Group Discriminator/Category:
> > Representation OWL DL
> > Content Type audio (A)
> > Workflow premeditation? / production?
> > Domain generic
> > Industry music
> >
> > [9] http://www.kanzaki.com/ns/music
> >
> > + Last but not least, there is the music ontology [10] used by Foafing
> > the Music project [11]. It includes some descriptors automatically
> > extracted from the audio (e.g. Key and mode, beats per minute, meter,
> > intensity, etc.)
> >
> > -- Foafing the music ontology Group Discriminator/Category:
> > Representation OWL DL
> > Content Type audio (A)
> > Workflow premeditation
> > Domain generic
> > Industry music
> >
> > [10] http://foafing-the-music.iua.upf.edu/ISWC2006
> > [11] http://foafing-the-music.iua.upf.edu/
> >
> >
> > That's all for now!
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Oscar Celma
> >
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