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RE: [MMSEM-Vocabulary] Request for contribution (audio vocabularies)

From: Hausenblas, Michael <michael.hausenblas@joanneum.at>
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 21:37:59 +0100
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To: "VassilisTzouvaras" <tzouvaras@image.ntua.gr>
Cc: "MMSem-XG Public List" <public-xg-mmsem@w3.org>

Vassilis, All, 
 
I see your point - a very valid one, indeed. Now, when we start to raise new issues w.r.t. vocabularies,
we could either continue to let the Voc-page grow (e.g. using sub pages as: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/wiki/Vocabularies/Domain/ <http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/wiki/Vocabularies/Domain/> )
or we freeze it in the current state and continue the discussion at the upcoming F2F meeting.
 
In the first case, we should think about which MM standards go into the "core" (i.e. are domain-independent, as e.g. MPEG-7) and for which
domain-dependent sub pages are set up (NewsML, CIDOC, etc.). Anyway, IMHO sections 3.4 and 3.5 would benefit from a cleanup.
 
Again, thank you Vassilis for the hint & for volunteering ;)
 
Cheers,
       Michael
 
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From: VassilisTzouvaras [mailto:tzouvaras@image.ntua.gr]
Sent: Sun 2006-11-26 18:25
To: Hausenblas, Michael; 'Oscar Celma'; 'RaphaŽl Troncy'
Cc: 'MMSem-XG Public List'
Subject: RE: [MMSEM-Vocabulary] Request for contribution (audio vocabularies)



Dear all,

The vocabulary document includes already most of the multimedia
vocabularies/standards. However, it doesn't cover any vocabularies/standards
from the digital libraries and cultural domain, which are in the scope of
this XG. Digital libraries and culture heritage archives have their own
standards like Cidoc-CRM, AMICO, MARC, OAI for metadata harvesting and many
others. These standards are in use from a large community and in the current
document it seems that they are not covered. Also, there has been an effort
to connect the XG with this community. I suggest and volunteer to cover
these standards. We can have a section for digital libraries and cultural
heritage archives metadata standards in the vocabulary document.

Also, I believe that we should also cover thesauri vocabularies (e.g. SKOS,
UNESCO) that play important role in semantic and multilingual
interoperability.

Regards,
Vassilis

> -----Original Message-----
> From: public-xg-mmsem-request@w3.org [mailto:public-xg-mmsem-
> request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Hausenblas, Michael
> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 12:39 AM
> To: Oscar Celma
> Cc: RaphaŽl Troncy; MMSem-XG Public List
> Subject: RE: [MMSEM-Vocabulary] Request for contribution (audio
vocabularies)
>
>
> Oscar,
>
> I've now updated our Vocabulary page [1] w.r.t. the audio standards:
>
>  + removed AMG/CDDB
>  + updated MusicBrainz
>  + added MusicXML
>
> Could you please go into detail with MPEG and XMF stuff; and: I'm not so
sure
> how to handle the
> Kanzaki and the Foafing vocabularies - any ideas where to put it? (sec. 5
or sec.
> 6)
>
> Looking at [2] tells me that you _indeed_ have a wiki account (at least
you edited
> your RDF description on 2006-11-14 with it :)
> So, please, would you be so kind performing further changes directly on
the Voc-
> page [1]?
>
> Cheers,
>        Michael
>
>
> [1] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/wiki/Vocabularies
> [2] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/mmsem/wiki/OscarCelma
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>  Michael Hausenblas, MSc.
>  Institute of Information Systems & Information Management
>  JOANNEUM RESEARCH Forschungsgesellschaft mbH
>  Steyrergasse 17, A-8010 Graz, AUSTRIA
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> From: Oscar Celma [mailto:ocelma@iua.upf.edu]
> Sent: Thu 2006-11-23 18:22
> To: Hausenblas, Michael
> Cc: RaphaŽl Troncy; Christian Halaschek-Wiener; MMSem-XG Public List
> Subject: Re: [MMSEM-Vocabulary] Request for contribution (audio
vocabularies)
>
>
>
> Dear Micheal,
>
> Here's a long mail (I do not have a wiki account yet, so please
> copy/paste to the wiki whatever you think is useful...)
>
> Hausenblas, Michael wrote:
> > RaphaŽl, Oscar, All,
> >
> > 4. W.r.t. the audio MM standards IMHO a bit of expertise from Oscar
> > would be of great help ... :)
>  > RaphaŽl said:
>  > "Furthermore, are "All Music Guide (AMG)", "MusicBrainz Metadata
> Initiative 2.1" and "Compact Disc Database (CDDB)" really vocabularies ?"
>
> I would say neither AMG (although they have some interesting taxonomies
> with regard to genre/styles) nor CDDB are really vocabularies.
> In my opinion ID3 specification is not clear enough (and very wide), the
> more concrete thing they propose is a list of genres.
> On the other hand, MusicBrainz it is a vocabulary!
>
> Moreover, some of these vocabularies should be taken into account, too
> (I've tried to add the categorization proposed whenever it was possible):
>
> * Musicbrainz Schema
> MusicBrainz defined an RDFS definition [1] (you can see the HTML output
> at [2]). Instances in RDF are available via their query language (see
> some results at [3]). An example of their MQ query is:
>
> <mq:FindAlbum>
> <mq:depth>1</mq:depth>
> <mq:artistName>Pink Floyd</mq:artistName>
> <mq:albumName>Dark Side of the Moon</mq:albumName>
> </mq:FindAlbum>
>
> -- Musicbrainz Discriminator/Category:
> Representation RDF (R) / RDFS
> Content Type audio (A)
> Workflow production
> Domain generic
> Industry music
>
> [1] http://www.ldodds.com/projects/musicbrainz/schema/index.rdf
> [2] http://www.ldodds.com/projects/musicbrainz/schema/mb.html
> [3] http://musicbrainz.org/MM/mq_examples.html
>
> * In [4], there are lots of resources about Music Notation and XML. From
> the list available in [4], I would like to mention:
>
> + MusicXML [5], by Michael Good (Recordare).
> "Recordare has developed MusicXML technology to create an
> Internet-friendly method of publishing musical scores, enabling
> musicians and music fans to get more out of their online music."
> The DTD specification is available at [6].
>
> -- MusicXML Discriminator/Category:
> Representation XML (X) / DTDs
> Content Type audio (A)
> Workflow production
> Domain generic
> Industry music
>
> + MPEG Ad Hoc Group on Symbolic Music Representation, lead by Paolo Nesi
> (see [7]) are working on the standarization process of music notation.
> Don't know the current status, though.
>
> -- MPEG Ad Hoc Group Discriminator/Category:
> Representation XML (X) / DTDs?
> Content Type audio (A)
> Workflow production
> Domain generic
> Industry music
>
> + XMF
> The Extensible Music Format (XMF) [8] is a family of music-related file
> formats created and administered by the MIDI Manufacturer's Association.
> It is based on MIDI files.
> Their goal is (quoted from the website):
>
> "Create an open standard file format for gathering together into a
> single file all media assets (and/or links to external media assets)
> required to render a MIDI note-based piece (or suite of related pieces)
> in a computer-based player (or possibly an instrument) with consistent
> audio playback across all players and platforms, and suited for
> interactivity, content protection, meta-data, and the Internet - and
> keep it simple."
>
> [4] http://www.oasis-open.org/cover/xmlMusic.html
> [5] http://www.recordare.com/xml.html
> [6] http://www.recordare.com/dtds/index.html
> [7] http://www.interactivemusicnetwork.org/mpeg-ahg/index.html
> [8] http://www.midi.org/about-midi/xmf/
>
> * Then there are other small projects/proposals such as:
>
> + The Kanzaki music ontlogy [9]
> Quoted from the website:
> "A vocabulary to describe classical music and performances. Classes
> (categories) for musical work, event, instrument and performers, as well
> as related properties are defined. Make sure to distinguish musical
> works (e.g. Opera) from performance/event (Opera_Performance), or works
> (String_Quartette) from performer (StringQuartetEnsemble in this vocab),
> whose natural language terms are used interchangeblly. The present
> version experiments more precise model to describe a musical work, its
> representations (performances, scores, etc) and a musical event to
> present a representation (a concert). Includes 30 keys as individuals."
>
> -- Kanzaki Music Performance ontology Group Discriminator/Category:
> Representation OWL DL
> Content Type audio (A)
> Workflow premeditation? / production?
> Domain generic
> Industry music
>
> [9] http://www.kanzaki.com/ns/music
>
> + Last but not least, there is the music ontology [10] used by Foafing
> the Music project [11]. It includes some descriptors automatically
> extracted from the audio (e.g. Key and mode, beats per minute, meter,
> intensity, etc.)
>
> -- Foafing the music ontology Group Discriminator/Category:
> Representation OWL DL
> Content Type audio (A)
> Workflow premeditation
> Domain generic
> Industry music
>
> [10] http://foafing-the-music.iua.upf.edu/ISWC2006
> [11] http://foafing-the-music.iua.upf.edu/
>
>
> That's all for now!
>
> Regards,
>
> Oscar Celma
>
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