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Re: AW: (regrets and schema.org)

From: Antoine Isaac <aisaac@few.vu.nl>
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 16:27:22 +0200
Message-ID: <4E05F04A.2060000@few.vu.nl>
To: public-xg-lld@w3.org
Thanks, Jeff!

Antoine


> I incorporated Antoine's suggestion:
>
> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/index.php?title=Draft_Relevant_Technologies&diff=5135&oldid=5068
>
> Jeff
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: public-xg-lld-request@w3.org [mailto:public-xg-lld-
>> request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Antoine Isaac
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 7:14 AM
>> To: public-xg-lld@w3.org
>> Subject: Re: AW: (regrets and schema.org)
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I've just read the new section. I find it nice, except for "has largely
>> supplanted Microformats" bit. I'm not sure this is yet the case, even
>> though things may be moving really fast.
>> Couldn't we just remain neutral, and have "Microdata, which is defined
>> with the new HTML5, provides another way of doing this."?
>>
>> Antoine
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hi William, hi Jeff,
>>>
>>> Thanks for getting this up so fast!
>>>
>>> A seperate section for Microdata, Microformats and RDFa is a very
>> good thing, because lots of people will be concerned about making
>> descisions on this. (Additionally, it is a good thing to drag RDFa out
>> of the Content Management Systems section, since RDFa is not restricted
>> to this field. The title and wording of the CMS section could be
>> adapted accordingly.) As a further suggestion, the more vocabulary
>> related Microdata/RDFa section should possibly precede the more
>> development oriented about web application frameworks, cms and web
>> services.
>>>
>>> Re. the contents, my feeling is that the situation offers a lot of
>> options, which are not yet evaluated. One which perhaps should be
>> mentioned in the text is mixing schema.org and genuine RDF
>> vocabularies. This should be quite easy in RDFa:
>>>
>>> <div typeof="schema:ScholarlyArticle">
>>>     <h2 property="schema:headline dc:title">Estimating the Effect of
>>>     ...</h2>
>>>     <p property="bibo:abstract">This paper uses the Five-Factor Model
>> ...</p>
>>>     <span property="bibo:handle"
>> content="http://hdl.handle.net/10419/20518"/>
>>>     ...
>>>
>>> This could be one of the possible ways to combine the expressiveness
>> of library or other RDF vocabs with the schema.org classes and
>> properties in order to optimize search engine visibility, which may be
>> a main concern for many organizations.
>>>
>>> Since currently no proven best practices for combing the approaches
>> exist (and their developement will heavily depend on experience with
>> the search engines crawling and ranking mechanisms - which will evolve
>> over time, too), we should mark that as an open field - while making a
>> strong point that schema.org and RDF(a) should in no way be treated as
>> mutually exclusive.
>>>
>>> Cheers, Joachim
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>> Von: public-xg-lld-request@w3.org [mailto:public-xg-lld-
>> request@w3.org] Im Auftrag von William Waites
>>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. Juni 2011 00:11
>>> An: Emmanuelle Bermes
>>> Cc: public-xg-lld
>>> Betreff: (regrets and schema.org) Re: Agenda - June 16 2011 - LLD XG
>> telecon - 1000 EDT
>>>
>>> My apologies, I'll not be able to make the telecon tomorrow.
>>>
>>> Jeff and I have corresponded a bit about schema.org, and I've added
>>> a short section to the Relevant Technologies section:
>>>
>>>
>> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Relevant_Technologies#M
>> icroformats.2C_Microdata_and_RDFa
>>>
>>> The gist is:
>>>
>>>     - microdata/schema.org is primarily intended for SEO
>>>     - schema.org's vocabulary is heavy in the tourism and commerce
>> areas
>>>       and would need a lot of extension to do libraries
>>>     - there is some level of interoperability with schema.rdfs.org
>>>     - that interoperability only helps a little with interlinking
>> different
>>>       library and other datasets
>>>     - it is possible to feed the search engines RDFa
>>>     - it is possible (modulo rumoured bugs) to feed the search engines
>> both
>>>       RDFa and microdata from the same page
>>>     - if you can't do RDF and can't do RDFa then some schema.org is
>> better
>>>       than nothing
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -w
>>>
>>> * [2011-06-15 22:56:20 +0200] Emmanuelle Bermes<manue@figoblog.org>
>> écrit:
>>>
>>> ] Agenda - June 16 2011 - LLD XG telecon - 1000 EDT
>>> ]
>>> ] Time -
>> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Telecons#Connection_info
>>> ]      http://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference-
>> calendar.html#s_4061
>>> ]      0700 Seattle - 1000 New York - 1500 London - 1600 Paris - 2300
>> Kuala Lumpur
>>> ]      2400 Tokyo - 0200 Sydney (next day)
>>> ]
>>> ] W3C Library Linked Data Incubator group:
>>> ]       http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/                   -
>> home page
>>> ]       http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/              -
>> wiki
>>> ]       http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/      -
>> group list
>>> ]       http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-lld/         -
>> community list
>>> ]       http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Telecons      -
>> telecons
>>> ]       http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/RunningAgenda -
>> "running agenda"
>>> ]
>>> ] Chair: Emmanuelle
>>> ] Scribe: ?
>>> ]       http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/ScribeDuty
>>> ]       http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/Scribing.html - how to
>>> ] Regrets:
>>> ]
>>> ]
>> ======================================================================
>>> ] ADMIN
>>> ] -- Minutes of previous telecons
>>> ]   PROPOSED: To accept
>>> ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/09-lld-
>> minutes.html
>>> ]
>>> ] -- Telecons - http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Telecons
>>> ]      2011-06-23 Antoine (regrets Tom)
>>> ]      2011-06-30 Emma (regrets Tom)
>>> ]      2011-07-07 Emma (regrets Tom)
>>> ]      2011-07-14 NO TELECON
>>> ]      2011-07-21 Antoine (regrets Emma)
>>> ]      2011-07-28 NO TELECON
>>> ]      2011-08-04 Tom
>>> ]      2011-08-11 NO TELECON
>>> ]      2011-08-18 Antoine (regrets Emma)
>>> ]      2011-08-25 final telecon (Tom)
>>> ]
>>> ] -- LOD-LAM summit (2011-06-02/03)
>>> ]
>>> ]      ACTION: Tom to send email to the LOD-LAM participants and
>> create
>>> ] a final version of the presentation [recorded in
>>> ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/26-lld-
>> minutes.html#action01]
>>> ]
>>> ]
>> ======================================================================
>>> ] FINAL REPORT
>>> ] --
>> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReportWithTransclusion
>>> ] --
>> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReportReviewerAssignment
>> s
>>> ]
>>> ] ACTION: Antoine and Emmanuelle to talk about strategies for getting
>>> ] comments at next call [recorded in
>>> ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-
>> minutes.html#action15]
>>> ] -- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-
>> lld/2011May/0051.html
>>> ] -- posting to a blog ?
>>> ] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Jun/0017.html
>>> ]
>>> ] Tom's proposal for a review strategy:
>>> ] -- 2011-06-07: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-
>> lld/2011Jun/0002.html
>>> ] -- 2011-06-09: discussion during call and refinement:
>>> ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/09-lld-
>> minutes.html
>>> ]
>>> ] ACTION: Co-chairs to draft message to the community about review
>>> ] between 16 June and 20 July - post before next call, on 16 June
>>> ] [recorded in
>> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/09-lld-
>> minutes.html#action02]
>>> ]
>>> ] ACTION: Jeff and William to propose text on microdata and
>> schema.org -
>>> ] where in the report it should be discussed [recorded in
>>> ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/09-lld-
>> minutes.html#action03]
>>> ]
>>> ] -------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ---
>>> ] EXECUTIVE SUMMARY (tbd)
>>> ] -- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/ExecutiveSummary
>>> ]
>>> ] -------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ---
>>> ] "LIBRARY LINKED DATA": SCOPE OF THIS REPORT (Karen, Peter, Tom,
>> Gordon, Jodi)
>>> ] --
>> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Benefits#.22Library_Linked_Da
>> ta.22:_Scope_of_this_report
>>> ]
>>> ] ACTION: everyone to read
>>> ]
>> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Benefits#.22Library_Linked_Da
>> ta.22:_Scope_of_this_report
>>> ] and do lightweight review [recorded in
>>> ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-
>> minutes.html#action04]
>>> ]
>>> ] ACTION: Jodi to send email about Scope statement [recorded in
>>> ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-
>> minutes.html#action05]
>>> ] --DONE: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-
>> lld/2011May/0048.html
>>> ]
>>> ] -------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ---
>>> ] BENEFITS OF LINKED DATA (Ed, Emmanuelle, Ross)
>>> ] -- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Benefits
>>> ]
>>> ] ACTION: Karen to edit the Benefits section [recorded in
>>> ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/26-lld-
>> minutes.html#action06]
>>> ] -- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-
>> lld/2011May/0080.html
>>> ]
>>> ] ACTION: Tom to ask Hideaki or Dickson to review
>>> ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Benefits [recorded in
>>> ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-
>> minutes.html#action06]
>>> ]
>>> ] -------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ---
>>> ] AVAILABLE VOCABULARIES AND DATASETS (Antoine, Jeff, Marcia,
>> William)
>>> ] --
>> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Vocabularies_Datasets_S
>> ection
>>> ]
>>> ] -------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ---
>>> ] RELEVANT TECHNOLOGIES (Jeff)
>>> ] --
>> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Relevant_Technologies
>>> ]
>>> ] ACTION: Gordon to review Relevant Technologies [recorded in
>>> ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/09-lld-
>> minutes.html#action04]
>>> ]
>>> ] -------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ---
>>> ] IMPLEMENTATION CHALLENGES AND BARRIERS TO ADOPTION (Karen, Peter,
>> Tom,
>>> ] Gordon, Jodi)
>>> ] -- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_issues_page
>>> ]
>>> ] ACTION: Gordon and Karen to consider relation between problems and
>>> ] limitation section and the library resource wiki page. [recorded in
>>> ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/03/24-lld-
>> minutes.html#action01]
>>> ] --
>> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Library_standards_and_linked_
>> data
>>> ] -- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Library_Data_Resources
>>> ]
>>> ] -------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ---
>>> ] RECOMMENDATIONS AND NEXT STEPS (Karen, Peter, Tom, Gordon, Jodi)
>>> ] --
>> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_recommendations_page
>>> ]
>>> ] ACTION: Jeff to review
>>> ]
>> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_recommendations_page
>>> ] for next week [recorded in
>>> ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-
>> minutes.html#action12]
>>> ] -- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-lld/2011May/0052.html
>>> ]
>>> ] ACTION: Tom to ask Dickson and Guenther if they could contribute
>>> ] curriculum issues to the Recommendations Section [recorded in
>>> ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-
>> minutes.html#action13]
>>> ]
>>> ]
>> ======================================================================
>>> ] LIBRARY LINKED DATA: VOCABULARIES AND DATASETS - SEPARATE
>> DELIVERABLE
>>> ] (Antoine, Jeff, Marcia, William)
>>> ] -- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Vocabulary_and_Dataset
>>> ]    Two Clouds: Metadata Element Sets and Datasets/Value
>> Vocabularies
>>> ]
>>> ]
>> ======================================================================
>>> ] USE CASES (Daniel) - SEPARATE DELIVERABLE
>>> ] -- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCaseReport
>>> ]
>>> ] ACTION: Jodi to review
>>> ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCaseReport for next
>> week
>>> ] [recorded in
>> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-
>> minutes.html#action14]
>>> ]
>>> ]
>> ======================================================================
>>> ] TRANSITION TO W3C COMMUNITY GROUP
>>> ] -- http://www.w3.org/QA/2011/04/coming_soon_w3c_community_grou.html
>>> ]    See also http://www.w3.org/2010/12/community/final
>>> ]
>>> ] 2011-05-12: Should inform W3C of intent to transition by 1 August
>> for
>>> ] transition on 1 September.
>>> ]
>>> ]
>> ======================================================================
>>> ] AOB
>>> ]
>>>
>>
>>
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