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RE: AW: (regrets and schema.org)

From: Young,Jeff (OR) <jyoung@oclc.org>
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2011 10:43:56 -0400
Message-ID: <52E301F960B30049ADEFBCCF1CCAEF590CE9FF49@OAEXCH4SERVER.oa.oclc.org>
To: "Antoine Isaac" <aisaac@few.vu.nl>, <public-xg-lld@w3.org>
I incorporated Antoine's suggestion:

http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/index.php?title=Draft_Relevant_Technologies&diff=5135&oldid=5068

Jeff

> -----Original Message-----
> From: public-xg-lld-request@w3.org [mailto:public-xg-lld-
> request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Antoine Isaac
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 7:14 AM
> To: public-xg-lld@w3.org
> Subject: Re: AW: (regrets and schema.org)
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I've just read the new section. I find it nice, except for "has largely
> supplanted Microformats" bit. I'm not sure this is yet the case, even
> though things may be moving really fast.
> Couldn't we just remain neutral, and have "Microdata, which is defined
> with the new HTML5, provides another way of doing this."?
> 
> Antoine
> 
> 
> 
> > Hi William, hi Jeff,
> >
> > Thanks for getting this up so fast!
> >
> > A seperate section for Microdata, Microformats and RDFa is a very
> good thing, because lots of people will be concerned about making
> descisions on this. (Additionally, it is a good thing to drag RDFa out
> of the Content Management Systems section, since RDFa is not restricted
> to this field. The title and wording of the CMS section could be
> adapted accordingly.) As a further suggestion, the more vocabulary
> related Microdata/RDFa section should possibly precede the more
> development oriented about web application frameworks, cms and web
> services.
> >
> > Re. the contents, my feeling is that the situation offers a lot of
> options, which are not yet evaluated. One which perhaps should be
> mentioned in the text is mixing schema.org and genuine RDF
> vocabularies. This should be quite easy in RDFa:
> >
> > <div typeof="schema:ScholarlyArticle">
> >    <h2 property="schema:headline dc:title">Estimating the Effect of
> >    ...</h2>
> >    <p property="bibo:abstract">This paper uses the Five-Factor Model
> ...</p>
> >    <span property="bibo:handle"
> content="http://hdl.handle.net/10419/20518"/>
> >    ...
> >
> > This could be one of the possible ways to combine the expressiveness
> of library or other RDF vocabs with the schema.org classes and
> properties in order to optimize search engine visibility, which may be
> a main concern for many organizations.
> >
> > Since currently no proven best practices for combing the approaches
> exist (and their developement will heavily depend on experience with
> the search engines crawling and ranking mechanisms - which will evolve
> over time, too), we should mark that as an open field - while making a
> strong point that schema.org and RDF(a) should in no way be treated as
> mutually exclusive.
> >
> > Cheers, Joachim
> >
> >
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: public-xg-lld-request@w3.org [mailto:public-xg-lld-
> request@w3.org] Im Auftrag von William Waites
> > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. Juni 2011 00:11
> > An: Emmanuelle Bermes
> > Cc: public-xg-lld
> > Betreff: (regrets and schema.org) Re: Agenda - June 16 2011 - LLD XG
> telecon - 1000 EDT
> >
> > My apologies, I'll not be able to make the telecon tomorrow.
> >
> > Jeff and I have corresponded a bit about schema.org, and I've added
> > a short section to the Relevant Technologies section:
> >
> >
> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Relevant_Technologies#M
> icroformats.2C_Microdata_and_RDFa
> >
> > The gist is:
> >
> >    - microdata/schema.org is primarily intended for SEO
> >    - schema.org's vocabulary is heavy in the tourism and commerce
> areas
> >      and would need a lot of extension to do libraries
> >    - there is some level of interoperability with schema.rdfs.org
> >    - that interoperability only helps a little with interlinking
> different
> >      library and other datasets
> >    - it is possible to feed the search engines RDFa
> >    - it is possible (modulo rumoured bugs) to feed the search engines
> both
> >      RDFa and microdata from the same page
> >    - if you can't do RDF and can't do RDFa then some schema.org is
> better
> >      than nothing
> >
> > Cheers,
> > -w
> >
> > * [2011-06-15 22:56:20 +0200] Emmanuelle Bermes<manue@figoblog.org>
> écrit:
> >
> > ] Agenda - June 16 2011 - LLD XG telecon - 1000 EDT
> > ]
> > ] Time -
> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Telecons#Connection_info
> > ]      http://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference-
> calendar.html#s_4061
> > ]      0700 Seattle - 1000 New York - 1500 London - 1600 Paris - 2300
> Kuala Lumpur
> > ]      2400 Tokyo - 0200 Sydney (next day)
> > ]
> > ] W3C Library Linked Data Incubator group:
> > ]       http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/                   -
> home page
> > ]       http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/              -
> wiki
> > ]       http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/      -
> group list
> > ]       http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-lld/         -
> community list
> > ]       http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Telecons      -
> telecons
> > ]       http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/RunningAgenda -
> "running agenda"
> > ]
> > ] Chair: Emmanuelle
> > ] Scribe: ?
> > ]       http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/ScribeDuty
> > ]       http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/Scribing.html - how to
> > ] Regrets:
> > ]
> > ]
> ======================================================================
> > ] ADMIN
> > ] -- Minutes of previous telecons
> > ]   PROPOSED: To accept
> > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/09-lld-
> minutes.html
> > ]
> > ] -- Telecons - http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Telecons
> > ]      2011-06-23 Antoine (regrets Tom)
> > ]      2011-06-30 Emma (regrets Tom)
> > ]      2011-07-07 Emma (regrets Tom)
> > ]      2011-07-14 NO TELECON
> > ]      2011-07-21 Antoine (regrets Emma)
> > ]      2011-07-28 NO TELECON
> > ]      2011-08-04 Tom
> > ]      2011-08-11 NO TELECON
> > ]      2011-08-18 Antoine (regrets Emma)
> > ]      2011-08-25 final telecon (Tom)
> > ]
> > ] -- LOD-LAM summit (2011-06-02/03)
> > ]
> > ]      ACTION: Tom to send email to the LOD-LAM participants and
> create
> > ] a final version of the presentation [recorded in
> > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/26-lld-
> minutes.html#action01]
> > ]
> > ]
> ======================================================================
> > ] FINAL REPORT
> > ] --
> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReportWithTransclusion
> > ] --
> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/DraftReportReviewerAssignment
> s
> > ]
> > ] ACTION: Antoine and Emmanuelle to talk about strategies for getting
> > ] comments at next call [recorded in
> > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-
> minutes.html#action15]
> > ] -- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-
> lld/2011May/0051.html
> > ] -- posting to a blog ?
> > ] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011Jun/0017.html
> > ]
> > ] Tom's proposal for a review strategy:
> > ] -- 2011-06-07: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-
> lld/2011Jun/0002.html
> > ] -- 2011-06-09: discussion during call and refinement:
> > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/09-lld-
> minutes.html
> > ]
> > ] ACTION: Co-chairs to draft message to the community about review
> > ] between 16 June and 20 July - post before next call, on 16 June
> > ] [recorded in
> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/09-lld-
> minutes.html#action02]
> > ]
> > ] ACTION: Jeff and William to propose text on microdata and
> schema.org -
> > ] where in the report it should be discussed [recorded in
> > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/09-lld-
> minutes.html#action03]
> > ]
> > ] -------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---
> > ] EXECUTIVE SUMMARY (tbd)
> > ] -- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/ExecutiveSummary
> > ]
> > ] -------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---
> > ] "LIBRARY LINKED DATA": SCOPE OF THIS REPORT (Karen, Peter, Tom,
> Gordon, Jodi)
> > ] --
> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Benefits#.22Library_Linked_Da
> ta.22:_Scope_of_this_report
> > ]
> > ] ACTION: everyone to read
> > ]
> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Benefits#.22Library_Linked_Da
> ta.22:_Scope_of_this_report
> > ] and do lightweight review [recorded in
> > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-
> minutes.html#action04]
> > ]
> > ] ACTION: Jodi to send email about Scope statement [recorded in
> > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-
> minutes.html#action05]
> > ] --DONE: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-
> lld/2011May/0048.html
> > ]
> > ] -------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---
> > ] BENEFITS OF LINKED DATA (Ed, Emmanuelle, Ross)
> > ] -- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Benefits
> > ]
> > ] ACTION: Karen to edit the Benefits section [recorded in
> > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/26-lld-
> minutes.html#action06]
> > ] -- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-
> lld/2011May/0080.html
> > ]
> > ] ACTION: Tom to ask Hideaki or Dickson to review
> > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Benefits [recorded in
> > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-
> minutes.html#action06]
> > ]
> > ] -------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---
> > ] AVAILABLE VOCABULARIES AND DATASETS (Antoine, Jeff, Marcia,
> William)
> > ] --
> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Vocabularies_Datasets_S
> ection
> > ]
> > ] -------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---
> > ] RELEVANT TECHNOLOGIES (Jeff)
> > ] --
> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Relevant_Technologies
> > ]
> > ] ACTION: Gordon to review Relevant Technologies [recorded in
> > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/06/09-lld-
> minutes.html#action04]
> > ]
> > ] -------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---
> > ] IMPLEMENTATION CHALLENGES AND BARRIERS TO ADOPTION (Karen, Peter,
> Tom,
> > ] Gordon, Jodi)
> > ] -- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_issues_page
> > ]
> > ] ACTION: Gordon and Karen to consider relation between problems and
> > ] limitation section and the library resource wiki page. [recorded in
> > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/03/24-lld-
> minutes.html#action01]
> > ] --
> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Library_standards_and_linked_
> data
> > ] -- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Library_Data_Resources
> > ]
> > ] -------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---
> > ] RECOMMENDATIONS AND NEXT STEPS (Karen, Peter, Tom, Gordon, Jodi)
> > ] --
> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_recommendations_page
> > ]
> > ] ACTION: Jeff to review
> > ]
> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_recommendations_page
> > ] for next week [recorded in
> > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-
> minutes.html#action12]
> > ] -- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-lld/2011May/0052.html
> > ]
> > ] ACTION: Tom to ask Dickson and Guenther if they could contribute
> > ] curriculum issues to the Recommendations Section [recorded in
> > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-
> minutes.html#action13]
> > ]
> > ]
> ======================================================================
> > ] LIBRARY LINKED DATA: VOCABULARIES AND DATASETS - SEPARATE
> DELIVERABLE
> > ] (Antoine, Jeff, Marcia, William)
> > ] -- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Vocabulary_and_Dataset
> > ]    Two Clouds: Metadata Element Sets and Datasets/Value
> Vocabularies
> > ]
> > ]
> ======================================================================
> > ] USE CASES (Daniel) - SEPARATE DELIVERABLE
> > ] -- http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCaseReport
> > ]
> > ] ACTION: Jodi to review
> > ] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCaseReport for next
> week
> > ] [recorded in
> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-
> minutes.html#action14]
> > ]
> > ]
> ======================================================================
> > ] TRANSITION TO W3C COMMUNITY GROUP
> > ] -- http://www.w3.org/QA/2011/04/coming_soon_w3c_community_grou.html
> > ]    See also http://www.w3.org/2010/12/community/final
> > ]
> > ] 2011-05-12: Should inform W3C of intent to transition by 1 August
> for
> > ] transition on 1 September.
> > ]
> > ]
> ======================================================================
> > ] AOB
> > ]
> >
> 
> 
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