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Re: Blog for gathering comments on draft report

From: Karen Coyle <kcoyle@kcoyle.net>
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 07:15:55 -0700
Message-ID: <20110622071555.20811udn4u8xg3yz@kcoyle.net>
To: public-xg-lld@w3.org
Yes, we would copy-paste the section, but I assumed that there would  
be a link back to the report so that someone looking at a section  
could see the context. If so, it should link back to the version with  
the same date/time stamp as the version that was pasted.

kc

Quoting Antoine Isaac <aisaac@few.vu.nl>:

> Hi Karen,
>
> We agree on the requirements. But perhaps not on the means to meet  
> them. I just thought that we would copy-paste the entire section  
> contents into the blog posts, which would alleviate your worry 2.
>
> That being said, we could still create extra "editor's draft" wiki  
> pages, for these reviewers who don't use the wiki
> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Benefits
> would be duplicated into
> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Benefits_EditorsDraft
> which could be the one edited (and both could link to each other in  
> a disclaimer)
>
> But again I think this would be less important for reviewers that  
> got the report via the wiki: they should expect a wiki to change...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Antoine
>
>
>> One thing Jodi, Peter, TomB and I discussed this morning in a chat  
>> about our sections is that the blog posts should link to two things:
>>
>> 1 - the current state of the report
>> 2 - the time-stamped version of the section that is being reviewed
>>
>> This way, folks can look at the entire section as it was when the  
>> review was started, but we can continue making changes without it  
>> changing what people see if they go to look at the section under  
>> review.
>>
>> I realize I might not have explained that well, but the main thing  
>> is that we thought it would be confusing if the reviews are taking  
>> place on a moving target, especially if someone goes from a blog  
>> comment to the section being reviewed and doesn't see the text that  
>> the commenter referenced.
>>
>> No matter what we do, editing and reviewing on a text that is  
>> changing will be complicated. Links to "this version" and "latest  
>> version, possibly with edits" might make it clearer.
>>
>> kc
>>
>> Quoting Emmanuelle Bermes <manue@figoblog.org>:
>>
>>> It would probably be easy enough to use the blog categories to order
>>> the sections. We could also have a "table of content" post linking to
>>> other posts, and use it to gather the general comments. I'm pretty
>>> sure there must be a function in Wordpress that allows to make a
>>> specific post stay always at the top of the home page.
>>>
>>> Monica, you can add me as admin, I'll be happy to have a look.
>>>
>>> Emma
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Antoine Isaac <aisaac@few.vu.nl> wrote:
>>>> +1 to all this.
>>>>
>>>> Note that since Monica's blog is Wordpress-based, it should be  
>>>> easy to have
>>>> digress.it, according to what they say:
>>>> http://digress.it/help/#how-do-i-download-digressit
>>>> Monica, do you think someone at UKOLN could fetch the code and  
>>>> put it in the
>>>> plug-in folder?
>>>>
>>>> If not, then we'd have to use some tricks:
>>>> - to reflect the structure we might have to post the final sections first?
>>>> That might be the best way not to lose the sequence, at least.
>>>> - for enabling posting comments on the entire document, we should have one
>>>> specific "report" post, with the title. And put it in front (ie.,  
>>>> posting it
>>>> last?)
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Antoine
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Seconding Jodi's comments: it is important that the basic  
>>>>> structure of the
>>>>> report be visible. Also that people can post comments that are  
>>>>> general, no
>>>>> just specific to a sub-section.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also like the idea of listing recent changes.
>>>>>
>>>>> kc
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Quoting Jodi Schneider <jodi.schneider@deri.org>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks so much for doing this, Monica! I can be an admin, if you like
>>>>>> (use jodi.a.schneider@gmail.com ). These are good comment settings.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A clean theme would be the veryplaintext one:
>>>>>> http://www.plaintxt.org/#veryplaintxt
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did we decide on whether digress.it would be a good plugin to use?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whoever does post the report -- I'd suggest posting it in small  
>>>>>> sections,
>>>>>> but making sure that the navigation makes sense (i.e. the  
>>>>>> default shows the
>>>>>> first part first, the table of contents shows up in a sidebar).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Perhaps somebody can suggest how to display "recent comments" in a
>>>>>> sidebar? This should be a simple change and I know it's common in many
>>>>>> blogs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Jodi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 20 Jun 2011, at 13:42, Monica Duke wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I took an action on Thursday to set up a blog to be used to gather
>>>>>>> comments on the draft report from the wider community. The blog is now
>>>>>>> available at:
>>>>>>> http://blogs.ukoln.ac.uk/w3clld/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> # If I may suggest 2 next steps:
>>>>>>> 1)We need to agree how we are going to post the report and do it asap -
>>>>>>> we did not agree this detail on the call. I guess it would be  
>>>>>>> best if 2-3
>>>>>>> volunteers (or even just 1?) took care of that. We can't spend  
>>>>>>> too much time
>>>>>>> on deciding and doing it so we do not miss the chance to add  
>>>>>>> the url to any
>>>>>>> emails being sent out to lists to request comments.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2) I need to give access to others in the group who can help administer
>>>>>>> the blog and post to it (as will be agreed in 1). I suggest  
>>>>>>> that I add one
>>>>>>> or two more as administrators, and others as editors. Please  
>>>>>>> send me email
>>>>>>> addresses and roles as soon as they are agreed, and I will add them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> # Comments settings - the following are selected (this can of course be
>>>>>>> changed)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Comment author must have a previously approved comment (i.e. comment
>>>>>>> will be moderated until user has a first one approved)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> # Appearance
>>>>>>> I suspect others will agree that other than for purposes of  
>>>>>>> usability we
>>>>>>> do not spend much time on cosmetics. I have done the basic,  
>>>>>>> but I can make
>>>>>>> other changes in response to suggestions, and once we have one  
>>>>>>> or two other
>>>>>>> administrators they too will be able to assist with this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Basic Wordpress features, plug-ins, settings etc are available.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Monica
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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