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Minutes: RDF Data Access 16 Aug

From: Eric Prud'hommeaux <eric@w3.org>
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 18:32:01 -0400
To: RDF Data Access Working Group <public-rdf-dawg@w3.org>
Message-ID: <20050818223201.GF3162@w3.org>
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   W3C 

                           Data Access Working Group

16 Aug 2005

   See also: IRC log

Attendees

   Present
          ericP, SteveH, JanneS, DaveB, HowardK, Kendall_Clark, DanC,
          Jeen_Broekstra

   Regrets
          Souripriya, Das, AndyS

   Chair
          DanC

   Scribe
          ericP

Contents

     * Topics
         1. Convene, take roll, review records and agenda
            http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JulSe
            p/0267.html
         2. comment "Query forms should be resources, not operations"
         3. Protocol testing
         4. toward protocol last call
         5. "SPARQL Query Results XML Format: XML 1.1" comment
         6. BASE IRI resolution comment
         7. issues#queryMimeType
         8. LC status
     * Summary of Action Items
     _________________________________________________________________



Convene, take roll, review records and agenda
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JulSep/0267.html

   <kendall> i find dave's amendment v. friendly :>

   <DanC> RESOLVED: to cancel 23 Aug

   <DanC> RESOLVED: to meet next 30 Aug, DaveB to scribe, DanC to chair

   <kendall> i'm a willing but ultimately *bad* scribe!

   <DanC> minutes 9 Aug

   PROPOSE: accept minutes from 9 Aug

   RESOLVED

   <scribe> ACTION: DanC to investigate having CVS commits send to the WG
   list [CONTINUED] [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action01]

comment "Query forms should be resources, not operations"

   <scribe> ACTION: LeeF to draft WSDL 1.1 for SPARQL thingy with AndyS
   and Elias ETA 2 Sep [CONTINUED] [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action02]

   <scribe> ACTION: DanC to ask WSDL WG to review WSDL 1.1 and WSDL 2
   SPARQL protocol stuff, once both are available [CONTINUED: [recorded
   in http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action03]

   <scribe> ACTION: KendallC to write another draft response to Mark
   Baker's comment and send to WG for possible discussion [CONTINUED]
   [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action04]

Protocol testing

   <scribe> ACTION: DanC to extract and machine-check examples
   [CONTINUED] [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action05]

   some progress. DanC has patches to send KendallC

   (to get the doc well-formed)

   <scribe> ACTION: SteveH to elaborate "CONSTRUCT with content
   negotiation" into a test case [DONE] [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action07]

   Steve sent mail. Andy had some comments on reifying.

   Steve's test case came from the [protocol] document

toward protocol last call

   <scribe> ACTION: EricP to discuss conformance w.r.t. WSDL 2 with PLH
   and send some notes to the WG, preferably including suggested text for
   conformance. [DONE] [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action08]

   <scribe> ACTION: KendallC to abstract/abbreviate http trace examples
   [DONE] [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action09]

   <scribe> ACTION: KendallC to fix d. ASK with simple RDF dataset...XML
   is wrong. [DONE] [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action10]

   <scribe> ACTION: SteveH to review proto-wd after Friday signal from
   KC, hopefully in time for monday's agenda or tuesday's telcon [DONE]
   [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action11]

   DanC: if the query is not a SPARLQ query, you can't return a 2xx

   PROPOSE: rather than "a SPARQL service _must_ return MalformedQuery
   for queries that are not SPARQL Query Strings"... for queries that are
   not SPARQL Query Strings, you should return MalformedQuery and you
   must not return 2xx

   RESOLVED: objections: 0, abstentions: ericP, KendallC

   <scribe> ACTION: EricP to review protocol document 1.58 [CONTINUED]
   [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action12]

   alternate schema languages in WSDL2

   <kendall> i got smarter in the past few days re: the issues I
   mentioned last week: input/output serialization types

   EricP:WSDL mandates XML Schema description of payload; when looking
   thru those glasses, RDF is pretty much "any" ...

   DanC: can you split GET/POST division on bindings?

   KendallC: ... ... no ... ...
   [sorry, didn't get all the reasons for "no"]

   <DaveB> the http method is recorded on the binding operation not on
   the ... (missed it)

   <DaveB> (ugh, we *could* add an rdf/xml result subset for the sparql
   query xml results - <rdfxml>...</>)

   <DaveB> (this is just an awful idea, forget I mentioned it)

   KendallC: everything after the '?' in the GET is what we want in the
   POST
   ... WSDL2 doesn't let you describe that
   ... would would like to allow that as an input serialization type
   ... we want WSDL2 to allow application/x-form-encoded in the input
   serialization

   KendallC: 2 more probs:

   <DanC> trying to assign: ACTION ?WHO: work with WSDL WG on moving
   "style" from interface to binding
   ...: push fault serialization out of interface and into binding
   ... may be possible to get WG to accept list of response serialization
   types

   --> KendallC's mail to WSDL WG

   Hugo's responses: --> 1 2

   <DanC> ACTION: KC to work with WSDL WG on describing POST binding with
   application/x-form-encoded in WSDL 2 [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action13]

   <DanC> ACTION: KC to work with WSDL WG on moving "style" from
   interface to binding [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action14]

   <DaveB> I'd support the WG supporting 0010, fwiw

   <kendall> Oops, yeah, right, I pasted the wrong URI.

   <DaveB> I'd like "we'd like to be able to describe our service more
   accurately"

   <DanC> PROPOSED: to endorse 0010 comment, "... but we'd like to be
   able to describe our service more accurately than that ..."

   RESOLUTION: no abstentions, no objections

"SPARQL Query Results XML Format: XML 1.1" comment

   <scribe> ACTION: DaveB to see if PLH would be satisfied with
   s/can/may/ in what he suggested [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action15] [DONE]

   <DaveB> final email
   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2005Aug/0
   056.html

   <DaveB> as described in
   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2005Aug/0
   052.html

   RESOLUTION: no abstentions, no objections

BASE IRI resolution comment

   <scribe> ACTION: ericP to add "don't normalize" to rq23 (perhaps
   supplied in 0096) [DONE] [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action16]

   <scribe> ACTION: DanC to respond to ericP's "don't normalize" text in
   rq23 [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action17]

   http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data/i18n/manifest.ttl
   has refs to normalization-0{2,3}

   <DanC> ACTION: ericP to send [OK?] message to Bjoern [CONTINUES]
   [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action18]

   <kendall> hmm, good email from hugo about multiple styles possible, so
   we may not be in as bad a pickle as I thought

issues#queryMimeType

   <DanC> ACTION: ericP to update rq23 to include the text of
   rq23/mime.txt , including security concearns [CONTINUES] [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action19]

   <scribe> ACTION: EricP to add test in 0096 to rq23 tests. label
   "approved" and ref <http://www.w3.org/2005/07/26-dawg-minutes> [DONE]
   [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action20]

   <DanC> (postponing issues#valueTesting for various reasons)

   <scribe> ACTION: DaveB to make 'XXI'^^:romanNumeral = 21 and points
   nearby into test cases (or ask questions in email). [CONTINUED]
   [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action21]

   seems done, but we won't discuss it during this meeting

LC status

   <DanC> lc-status-report

   DanC: re QA guidelines conformance, we have it on Andy's plate, but
   would like another to work on it

   <scribe> ACTION: ericP to thank Ivan for his comment
   <http://www.w3.org/mid/42E116D8.1070908@w3.org> [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action22]

   ADJOURN

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: DanC to ask WSDL WG to review WSDL 1.1 and WSDL 2 SPARQL
   protocol stuff, once both are available [CONTINUED: [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action03]
   [NEW] ACTION: DanC to respond to ericP's "don't normalize" text in
   rq23 [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action17]
   [NEW] ACTION: ericP to thank Ivan for his comment <<a
   href="http://www.w3.org/mid/42E116D8.1070908@w3.org">http://www.w3.org
   /mid/42E116D8.1070908@w3.org> [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action22]
   [NEW] ACTION: KC to work with WSDL WG on describing POST binding with
   application/x-form-encoded in WSDL 2 [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action13]
   [NEW] ACTION: KC to work with WSDL WG on moving "style" from interface
   to binding [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action14]
   [NEW] ACTION: SteveH to elaborate "CONSTRUCT with content negotiation"
   into a test case [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action06]

   [PENDING] ACTION: DanC to extract and machine-check examples [recorded
   in http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action05]
   [PENDING] ACTION: DanC to investigate having CVS commits send to the
   WG list [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action01]
   [PENDING] ACTION: DaveB to make 'XXI'^^:romanNumeral = 21 and points
   nearby into test cases (or ask questions in email). [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action21]
   [PENDING] ACTION: EricP to review protocol document 1.58 [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action12]
   [PENDING] ACTION: ericP to send [OK?] message to Bjoern [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action18]
   [PENDING] ACTION: ericP to update rq23 to include the text of
   rq23/mime.txt , including security concearns [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action19]
   [PENDING] ACTION: KendallC to write another draft response to Mark
   Baker's comment and send to WG for possible discussion [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action04]
   [PENDING] ACTION: LeeF to draft WSDL 1.1 for SPARQL thingy with AndyS
   and Elias ETA 2 Sep [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action02]

   [DONE] ACTION: DaveB to see if PLH would be satisfied with s/can/may/
   in what he suggested [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action15]
   [DONE] ACTION: ericP to add "don't normalize" to rq23 (perhaps
   supplied in 0096) [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action16]
   [DONE] ACTION: EricP to add test in 0096 to rq23 tests. label
   "approved" and ref <<a
   href="http://www.w3.org/2005/07/26-dawg-minutes">http://www.w3.org/200
   5/07/26-dawg-minutes> [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action20]
   [DONE] ACTION: EricP to discuss conformance w.r.t. WSDL 2 with PLH and
   send some notes to the WG, preferably including suggested text for
   conformance. [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action08]
   [DONE] ACTION: KendallC to abstract/abbreviate http trace examples
   [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action09]
   [DONE] ACTION: KendallC to fix d. ASK with simple RDF dataset...XML is
   wrong. [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action10]
   [DONE] ACTION: SteveH to elaborate "CONSTRUCT with content
   negotiation" into a test case [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action07]
   [DONE] ACTION: SteveH to review proto-wd after Friday signal from KC,
   hopefully in time for monday's agenda or tuesday's telcon [recorded in
   http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action11]

   [End of minutes]
     _________________________________________________________________


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