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Minutes of RDF DAWG telecon 2004-07-20 for review

From: Rob Shearer <Rob.Shearer@networkinference.com>
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 12:30:58 -0700
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Minutes of RDF DAWG telecon 2004-07-20 for review

Agenda:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004JulSep/0114.html

IRC: http://www.w3.org/2004/07/20-dawg-irc#T16-50-52-1 (includes
after-meeting discussion of strawman spec and the wording of the
disjunction requirement)

1. Convene, take roll, review record, agenda

Attendees: Eric Prud'Hommeaux, Yoshio Fukushige, Steve Harris, Kendall
Clark, Andy Seaborne, Dave Beckett, Rob Shearer, Simon Raboczi, Dan
Connolly, Tom Adams

Regrets: Howard Katz
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004JulSep/0134.html
         Alberto Reggiori
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004JulSep/0115.html
         Enrico Franconi
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004JulSep/0116.html
         Jim Hendler
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004JulSep/0121.html
         Jos De Roo
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004JulSep/0133.html
         Bryan Thompson
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004JulSep/0135.html
         Hiroyuki Sato

Scribe: Rob Shearer

Next meeting: Tuesday 2004-07-27 14:30 UTC, Dave Beckett to scribe

As noted in agenda, the following actions will be continued:

ACTION EricP: find out the schedule of the 2005 W3C tech plenary and
 inform the WG so that we can plan ftf meetings after September.

ACTION SimonR: write a document discussing tradeoffs with adapting
XQuery as an RDF query language for discussion thru the September
meeting in Bristol.

ACTION Jos: explain log:includes to inform the discussion of SOURCE (nee
provenance)

ACTION DanC: explain evolution of log:semantics/log:includes from
uri-is-graph to uri-is-doc in cwm, to inform discussion of SOURCE

ACTION DaveB: explain the main uses seen for redland contexts with
respect to the provenance

ACTION AndyS: explain DESCRIBE design implicit in BRQL spec.

2. Review Carlsbad meeting record

The group resolved to adopt  http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/ftf2
version 1.33 as a true record of the face-to-face meeting, with an
expectation of a few more minor edits by Dan Connolly, including the
addition of links to explanation of Network Inference's objections.

Dan Connolly has attempted to get in touch with the Semantic Web CG in
support of his action item, but he does not feel the action has been
completed.

ACTION DanC: notify Semantic Web CG of risks around the "1.5
Relationship with XQuery" scope of our charter.

3. Web Services Directory use cases

Rob Shearer clarified his action item from the face-to-face regarding
the ebXML use case, which he has not completed.

ACTION: RobS write email to Farrukh about traversing a taxonomy,
continues.

4. Toward updated Use Cases and Requirements publication

Kendall noted that there are still 6-8 outstanding changes which must
still be made to the document, and estimated that the work would be
complete by the end of business 2004-07-21, at which time other group
members could review it in time for the telecon on 2004-07-27.

ACTION: RobS to review the document when complete

Updates to the document should include all output from the face-to-face
meeting.

Andy Seaborne noted a minor issue with CVS tags not being correctly
updated when the document changes. Kendall explained that this is a
toolset problem and that he will attempt to address it.

It was also noted that the changelog could include links to the meeting
minutes or emails requesting each change; Kendall agreed that this would
be a good addition.

It was pointed out that several people have actions which could impact
the UC&R document, including Simon's action to write about CONSTRUCT and
Eric's action to send a use case motivating premises. It was agreed that
the document could go ahead without these additions.

ACTION ericP: send federation use case motivating premises (in Algae)

The timing of the next publication was questioned, with Andy Seaborne
suggested that pushing it back by two weeks would be worthwhile if it
will substantially improve the document. Kendall claimed that the new
ebXML use case would be ready shortly, as well as some use case for
disjunction. It was agreed that we would be flexibly on publication
dates, but that 1 August still seems reasonable.

Tom Adams agreed to take one of Simon's action items, seeing as Simon
has a lot to do.

ACTION: Tom Adams: reply to Chris Wilper's comments on the
public-rdf-dawg-comments list

There was a brief discussion of the "provenance" objective, rewritten by
Andy Seaborne to more directly address "aggregation", with Rob Shearer
thinking it sucks and Tom Adams and Yoshio thinking it's cool. The
rewritten objective will be included in the next publication and the
group will await public reaction.

Yoshio's concerns about the new disjunction requirement
(http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004JulSep/0129.htm
l) were discussed, but it was agreed that email would be a more
productive form of engagement.

ACTION DanC: follow up to
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004JulSep/0129.html

ACTION DanC: follow up to
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2004JulSep/0129.html

5. Test case maintenance

Jos's action continues:

ACTION Jos: discuss test suite documentation and maintenance with
SteveH, EricP, AndyS, ...

Steve, Eric, and Dan agreed to coordinate to get Steve Harris CVS write
access in order for him to maintain the tests. Eric pointed out that
several tests are kept in the N3QL document, and that it would be good
to integrate them with Steve Harris's tests.

The discussion turned to organization of DAWG online resources,
specifically the BRQL strawman spec. The meeting was adjourned and
informal discussion continued, reflected in the IRC log.
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