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Re: PROV-ISSUE-188: Section 5.2.3 (PROV-DM as on Nov 28) [prov-dm]

From: Satya Sahoo <satya.sahoo@case.edu>
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2012 15:21:59 -0500
Message-ID: <CAOMwk6yujGTkaaYn14bOhzvHrmWM9z39mdK0LS8_ei85GK8vBg@mail.gmail.com>
To: Paul Groth <p.t.groth@vu.nl>
Cc: Olaf Hartig <hartig@informatik.hu-berlin.de>, "public-prov-wg@w3.org" <public-prov-wg@w3.org>
Hi all,
I agree with Olaf's suggestion - its effectively captures our intent.

Thanks.

Best,
Satya

On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 2:20 PM, Paul Groth <p.t.groth@vu.nl> wrote:

> Hi Olaf,
>
> That seems reasonable to me. I wonder what the group thinks.
>
> cheers,
> Paul
>
> Olaf Hartig wrote:
>
>>
>> Paul Groth<p.t.groth@vu.nl>  wrote:
>>
>>
>>  Hi Satya,
>>>
>>> What's a good name for the class of both hardware + software
>>> agent?
>>>
>>
>> In the Provenance Vocabulary we use the term NonHumanActor; so, maybe
>> "non-human agent" for PROV?
>>
>> Cheers, Olaf
>>
>>  The key issue is that we need to distinguish between People and
>>> Software so I this should be kept in the model.
>>>
>>> Thanks, Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Satya Sahoo wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Luc, My suggestion is to: a) Either remove software agent or
>>>> include hardware agent (since both occur together). b) State the
>>>> agent subtypes as only examples and not include them as part of
>>>> "core" DM.
>>>>
>>>> Except the above two points, I am fine with closing of this
>>>> issue.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Best, Satya
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 5:40 AM, Luc
>>>> Moreau<L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.**uk <L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
>>>> <mailto:L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.**uk <L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Satya, Paul, Graham,
>>>>
>>>> I am proposing not to take any action on this issue, except
>>>> indicate, as Graham suggested, that these 3 agent types "are
>>>> common across most anticipated
>>>>
>>> domains
>>>
>>>> of use".
>>>>
>>>> I am closing this action, pending review. Regards, Luc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12/07/2011 01:58 AM, Provenance Working Group Issue Tracker
>>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> PROV-ISSUE-188: Section 5.2.3 (PROV-DM as on Nov 28)
>>>>
>>> [prov-dm]
>>>
>>>> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/__**track/issues/188<http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/__track/issues/188>
>>>> <http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/**track/issues/188<http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/issues/188>
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Raised by: Satya Sahoo On product: prov-dm
>>>>
>>>> Hi, The following are my comments for Section 5.2.3 of the
>>>>
>>> PROV-DM
>>>
>>>> as on Nov 28:
>>>>
>>>> Section 5.2.3: 1. "From an inter-operability perspective, it is
>>>> useful to define some basic categories of agents since it will
>>>> improve
>>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>>> use of provenance records by applications. There should be
>>>>
>>> very
>>>
>>>> few of these basic categories to keep the model simple and
>>>> accessible. There are three types of agents in the model: *
>>>> Person: agents of type Person are people. (This type is
>>>> equivalent to a "foaf:person" [FOAF]) * Organization: agents of
>>>> type Organization are social institutions such as companies,
>>>> societies etc. (This type is equivalent to a "foaf:organization"
>>>> [FOAF]) * SoftwareAgent: a software agent is a piece of
>>>> software." Comment: Why should the WG model only these three
>>>> types of agents explicitly. What about biological agents (e.g
>>>> E.coli responsible for mass food poisoning), "hardware" agents
>>>> (e.g. reconnaissance drones, industrial robots in car assembly
>>>>
>>> line)?
>>>
>>>> The WG should either enumerate all possible agent sub-types
>>>>
>>> (an
>>>
>>>> impractical approach) or just model Agent only without any
>>>> sub-types. The WG does not explicitly model all possible
>>>> sub-types of Activity - why should a different approach be
>>>> adopted for Agent?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Best, Satya
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- Professor Luc Moreau Electronics and Computer Science tel: +44
>>>> 23 8059 4487 <tel:%2B44%2023%208059%204487> University of
>>>> Southampton fax: +44 23 8059 2865 <tel:%2B44%2023%208059%202865>
>>>> Southampton SO17 1BJ email: l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk
>>>> <mailto:l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.**uk <l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>> United
>>>> Kingdom
>>>> http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~__**lavm<http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~__lavm>
>>>> <http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~**lavm <http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~lavm>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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