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RE: Results of Questionnaire Survey vs. iTunes and QT

From: Soohong Daniel Park <soohong.park@samsung.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 10:40:17 +0900
To: "'Evain, Jean-Pierre'" <evain@ebu.ch>, 'Silvia Pfeiffer' <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>, 'Joakim Söderberg' <joakim.soderberg@ericsson.com>
Cc: public-media-annotation@w3.org
Message-id: <007601c9a76a$7df3c730$79db5590$%park@samsung.com>
I very much like your sentence below:

"Complexity is less an issue than looking for what described content will be
around and what content will users want to access."

But, also our charter mentions "...a simple ontology...", hence we should
also make sure how to make this complexity less simultaneously...:-)

Anyway, good comments and thanks.

Soohong Daniel Park
Standard Architect, blog.naver.com/natpt
DMC Business, Samsung Electronics. KOREA

> -----Original Message-----
> From: public-media-annotation-request@w3.org [mailto:public-media-
> annotation-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Evain, Jean-Pierre
> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 6:34 AM
> To: Silvia Pfeiffer; Joakim Söderberg
> Cc: public-media-annotation@w3.org; Daniel Park
> Subject: RE: Results of Questionnaire Survey vs. iTunes and QT
> I don't know if we'll have to repeat the process until everyone is happy
> but
> as far as I am concerned I looked at what metadata is going to be
> available
> on the Internet for Internet TV  and Radio (and also possibly in relation
> to
> broadcast through content search engines) for standard non-professional
> non-academic users, which is the reason why I didn't push neither EBU's
> P-META nor SMPTE RP210 or DMS-1.
> On the other TV-Anytime is related to so many specifications (DVB, ATIS,
> DLNA, Open TV Forum, etc.) that I shouldn't (and apparently don't) need to
> argue in favour of it, although it is 'complex' in comparison to others,
> By
> the way, what is the definition of complexity here: [one can't read and
> understand more than e.g. 15 elements (and too bad for the well known
> drawbacks)].
> EBUCore is going to be the base of the EUScreen project, which plans to be
> the TV and Radio archive portal of Europeana. Then, any value?
> MPEG-7. Our use of it is for the time being going to be restricted to new
> metadata extraction tools in the production. This may be used later to
> make
> search on 'parts' of content, but we need to show that we can produce this
> metadata at reasonable cost and then also publish it in an affordable
> manner. This means certainly not a priority one. And even if I am
> following
> what's  happening in mpeg's MXM project, my intention is also to see to
> which extent other metadata formats can be adapted to it and not only
> mpeg-7. Certainly, mpeg-7 doesn't at all address the description of
> services
> and content is not hanging in the air.
> Complexity is less an issue than looking for what described content will
> be
> around and what content will users want to access. I am more concerned
> about
> FRBR and METS as I am wondering if we are all speaking of the same thing.
> Jean-Pierre
> -----Original Message-----
> From: public-media-annotation-request@w3.org
> [mailto:public-media-annotation-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Silvia
> Pfeiffer
> Sent: mardi, 17. mars 2009 22:13
> To: Joakim Söderberg
> Cc: public-media-annotation@w3.org; Daniel Park
> Subject: Re: Results of Questionnaire Survey vs. iTunes and QT
> I don't think the group has decided yet whether a low value in
> question 3 is good or bad.
> When I filled in the questionnaire, I regarded complexity as a bad thing.
> Therefore, a low number in question 3 would mean (at least for some of
> us) that it is less relevant to be examined.
> We have multiple alternate ways forward from here:
> 1. have another survey to determine whether complexity in a format is
> a preferrable
> 2. have another survey that does not ask 3 questions, but only one
> about which format the group wants to work on - that can then include
> iTunesRSS and whatever else was overseen the first time
> 3. run with the current result, accepting its shortcomings
> In my personal opinion, I don't think we need to be afraid to
> undertake this survey again. We have identified shortcomings of the
> previous approach and should address them. We're not such a large
> group that re-running the survey implies a major nuisance.
> Just my 2c. :-)
> Cheers,
> Silvia.
> 2009/3/18 Joakim Söderberg <joakim.soderberg@ericsson.com>:
> > Dear all,
> > The results from the format survey can be summarized as follows (the
> lowest sum wins):
> >
> > Media RSS 2+1+3= 6
> > EXIF    1+5+1=  7
> > Youtube 4+2+4=  10
> > TV-Anytime 5+7+3=15
> > ID3 frames 5+4+7=16
> > MPEG-7 =8+6+2=  16
> > EBUCore 7+3+8=  19
> >
> > This indicates the groups' average level of interest for each format.
> > Unfortunately iTunes ant QT was not added to the survey, since it
> appeared
> later in the mapping table. The chairs of the group regret this and it was
> recorded at today's telecom that there is an interest in the group for
> those
> formats as well (see minutes to appear at:
> http://www.w3.org/2009/03/17-mediaann-minutes.html). These formats are
> included in the table for review:
> >
> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Format_mapping_review#Ref
> er
> ence_Material
> >
> >
> > The purpose of this activity was to achieve a consensus on which formats
> to put more attention to during the review and editing process. Hopefully
> this collaborative work is of a generic character and can be reused for
> the
> other more complex or specific formats.
> >
> > Regards
> > Joakim
> >
> >
> >
Received on Wednesday, 18 March 2009 01:41:00 UTC

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